Quote (t8 @ Dec. 23 2009,09:21)What is so hard about seeing that scripture teaching that Jesus is the son of God and you saying that he isn't.That is what is happening here.Your stance about old angels does not change that fact.The scripture teaches that angels are the sons of God, doesn't it?

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 23 2009,06:36)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 23 2009,04:16)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,18:03)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,17:50)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:40)Regarding what Mohammad saw and what the koran says, tell me who actually wrote the koran, and when it was written.  Then tell me about oral traditions and the allegorical…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 23 2009,06:49)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 23 2009,04:14)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,18:05)No I do not admit that I would be violent.  What about all the non-violent answers?StuartYour not making yourself clear, do you believe in evolution or not? If you do isn't violence everywhere in nature?Wouldn't you say that a lion is being…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 23 2009,07:40)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 23 2009,04:08)To say that Jesus is not “son” does nothing to diminish his statureIt diminishes your stature.Your only options for a favorable outcome for you is to say that these scriptures are false, mis-translated, or that Paul, John, Peter, and Jesus were false teachers. But if these are…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 23 2009,07:32)I didn't dodge your question, I gave you the full picture of what I believe so that I could not be mis-quoted or mis-understood.Jesus is the son of the living God. He is the only begotten of the Father, full of truth.He has first place in all things and is the prototype.Think of what the word prototype means.I have…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,18:03)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,17:50)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:40)Regarding what Mohammad saw and what the koran says, tell me who actually wrote the koran, and when it was written.  Then tell me about oral traditions and the allegorical nature of much ancient Middle Eastern writing.  Then tell me that none o…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,18:05)No I do not admit that I would be violent.  What about all the non-violent answers?StuartYour not making yourself clear, do you believe in evolution or not? If you do isn't violence everywhere in nature?Wouldn't you say that a lion is being natural when violently killing a Zebra?You said you believe in natural…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2009,18:45)Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature) and emptied himself and took on human flesh.He then humbled himself to the point of death and God raised him from the dead and he is seated to the right hand of the majesty on high with the same glory he had with the Father before the world begun.It is also written…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:51)I said that I would NOT allow others to be violent to my loved ones.  Did you see the NOT I wrote?How do you conclude that I am afraid to die?  How is that a 'fact'?So your answer to violence is violence.  What about all the non-violent answers?StuartI apologize our posts happened to fast to reconcile them.So you do…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:48)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,17:39)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:35)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,17:29)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:07)BDWhere does your verse actually give any information about gnats?What is this 'forbidding partition'?  An estuary is just an area where waters of different salinity mix.…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:40)Regarding what Mohammad saw and what the koran says, tell me who actually wrote the koran, and when it was written.  Then tell me about oral traditions and the allegorical nature of much ancient Middle Eastern writing.  Then tell me that none of the writers of the koran had any motive to make up astonishing facts a…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:35)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,17:29)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:07)BDWhere does your verse actually give any information about gnats?What is this 'forbidding partition'?  An estuary is just an area where waters of different salinity mix.  Any idiot, even Mohammed could work that out by casually tasting water i…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:30)Quote Would you let others be violent towards your loved ones without responding VIOLENTLY?If I could, yes.  Why wouldn't you?Quote Would you let others Oppress your your loved ones such as forbidding them to go to school or marry or own a business?I do not live in an islamic republic, so the problem has never…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:09)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,16:43)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,14:46)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,14:16)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,13:55)Quote Nor take life – which Allah has made sacred – except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:07)BDWhere does your verse actually give any information about gnats?What is this 'forbidding partition'?  An estuary is just an area where waters of different salinity mix.  Any idiot, even Mohammed could work that out by casually tasting water in different placed along a river mouth.  Nothing particularly fo…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,16:40)Quote You seem to not understand that violence is far less harmful than oppression. No, violence IS more harmful than oppression. Quote If a people were enslaved would you support their peaceful acceptance of their condition or would you urge them to fight against oppression? Fight yes.  Fight with violence?…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,14:49)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,14:14)Actually, anyway you slice it all species are made from the elements of earth however you supposed that to come about would not injure the concept of creation because as I said there are far more interesting things that point to creation. I would love to know exactly how God…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,14:46)Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 22 2009,14:16)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,13:55)Quote Nor take life – which Allah has made sacred – except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life,…[Read more]

I want you to really understand that I would have no dispute with Jesus being the son of God but you need to understand why the Quran clarifies this point. Consider this:That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.Genesis 6:1-3Now there was a day when the sons of God came to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 22 2009,14:45)Hi BD.Thank you for your challenge. Here is my response: I bet that you cannot find on this board where I have taught that God works only through Christianity and nothing else. In fact I teach the opposite because I am well aware of much error taught in the name of  Christianity.In light of that statement, my…[Read more]