Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2010,09:06)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 16 2010,11:26)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,08:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 16 2010,05:11)Marty and Shimmer,I appreciate the Sunday school lesson, but you both completely failed to address the scenario that I laid out in my opening post.  I contend that the metaphor that I have crafted…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2010,09:15)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 17 2010,01:17)Ed J,I am growing impatient with you.  Either you are not bright enough to grasp the point I am making, or you are purposely evading it (as bodhitharta has suggested.)  Either way, I am only going to dance this jig with you one more time if you insist on being obtuse.Quote Beca…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 17 2010,05:51)Quote (francis @ Aug. 17 2010,02:57)Sheesh… in another forum… I was able to amend and edit mistakes to a post I had written even after it was posted.  I can't seem to be able to do that in here.  Is there a way to edit a mistake made in a post after the post has already been s…[Read more]

Quote Whether or not Christianity is true… at least Christians do present a positive logical defense for their beliefs which can be analyzed and debated and looked at by both sides in an objective manner in a debate.How is it possible to be objective in Christianity or any religion?In the book of Mormon Joseph Smith is not being spoken to not…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 17 2010,01:08)Yes, to your first question, and no, to your second question.Okay, I see so then what you are saying is that although everyone has the divine spark it simply may be undeveloped in some and highly developed in others i.e a matter of degree but none the less still present in all Humans?

WhatIsTrue,Do you believe that Jesus did get crucified or that he didn't get crucified?I believe he was intended to be murdered and God saved him from the plot as it is written in the Quranto me it simply makes more sense and I did not grow up Muslim or studying the Quran it's just that when I read it, it simply confirmed my own feeling that I…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:59)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 16 2010,05:16)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2010,10:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 14 2010,06:52)Ed J,Again, your random verses don't address the “how” or the “why”.  They are all fluff and no meat.Quote So you don't believe Jesus can be a substitute for 'your' sin; meaning you should die and not be…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2010,08:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 16 2010,05:11)Marty and Shimmer,I appreciate the Sunday school lesson, but you both completely failed to address the scenario that I laid out in my opening post.  I contend that the metaphor that I have crafted accurately represents the Christian gospel.  Do you disagree with it?  If so…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 16 2010,05:21)bodhitharta,To answer your question, yes.I specifically addressed the cow thing in my previous post.  I don't see cows as having a “divine spark”.  However, if someone wishes to (non-violently) convince me otherwise, they are free to try.So when you say “divine spark” that includes all of mankind no matter w…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 15 2010,22:02)To whomever, It is with faith we believe in all God has written in the Scripture as being true, it is confirmed by what we start to see revealed to us, all in God's time. If the Scriptures say God will save us with his Son, then I believe that, you have to realise theres more to it than just that, The son came…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 15 2010,14:12)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 15 2010,08:56)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 15 2010,13:42)bodhitharta wrote:Quote Treat the animals humanely and then slaughter them for your pleasure, the fact is you accept the idea of “lower Species” murder for your pleasure, so the question is why?Good question.I don't think of other…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 15 2010,13:42)bodhitharta wrote:Quote Treat the animals humanely and then slaughter them for your pleasure, the fact is you accept the idea of “lower Species” murder for your pleasure, so the question is why?Good question.I don't think of other animals as a lower species so much as I think of man as a unique species.…[Read more]

The book of Mormon is the book of Mormon and it really doesn't matter to me how it was composed as thereis nothing really important in it that edifies me.The Quran is a revelation that when read can be clearly seen as The Word of God in a much more clear way.In The Quran the words are being recited not like a third person narrative but as Gabriel…[Read more]

Francis,When you say Evidence of crucifixion you are calling the narratives in obscure documents with obscure mentions of the crucifuxion some not even mentioning the name of Jesus at all but words that can be taken to refer to Jesus only because we know of Jesus first, we could not find out about the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ from these…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 15 2010,00:35)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 14 2010,15:59)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,01:28)Show me the Father (relic) and I'll (Bod) believe.  Jesus showed them the Father and they still didn't believe.I was the first one there to drive the first nail into my Savior's hand.  I gladly washed my sins in Jesus' blood and I w…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,15:17)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 14 2010,16:22)Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 13 2010,23:10)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2010,16:31)Do you eat meat? Those animals were enslaved, fattened up and killed for your personal pleasureHi Bod,Usually you give a lot of thought to your answers, butslavery is a system in which PEOPLE…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,09:01)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 06 2010,21:17)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2010,20:25)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 14 2010,14:03)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2010,20:31)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 09 2010,15:35)Jesus is lord=151Muhammad is lord= 151Why do these numbers match?quran is Lord Muhammad=2221 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,09:17)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 14 2010,16:12)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 14 2010,00:11)The quesiton arose in my mind: God:  Muslim God is the same God as the Christian God?  So I quickly checked online to see what the differences are:The Quran's Surah 17 111 says: “Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no p…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Aug. 13 2010,23:10)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 13 2010,16:31)Do you eat meat? Those animals were enslaved, fattened up and killed for your personal pleasureHi Bod,Usually you give a lot of thought to your answers, butslavery is a system in which PEOPLE specifically are the property of others.You only confuse the question with your…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 14 2010,07:16)bodhitharta,It's a bit silly to use the bible's justifications for evil to convince me that the bible isn't a book about a god that advocates that men behave in evil ways.Quote And assuming you are correct about slavery being evil(I'm not for slavery myself) what makes you think that an evil doesn't produce a…[Read more]