Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 29 2011,09:03)Bod and Mike, so do you believe then in this:Islamic Hell and UnbelieversKoran 98:1-8The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.Koran 22:19-22:23Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Sclading water…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2011,10:10)Hi BD,I agree with your post.  And I believe Jesus was the first being ever created by God.  I believe that all other things were then subsequently created by God through Jesus.  I believe that Jesus was existing in this cushy position next to his God before he was sent on a mission to earth – the success of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2011,03:30)Quote I don't deny that Jesus was uniquely created by Jehovah. In fact, that is the absolute truth of the scriptures.But how does being begotten exclude Jesus from being a creation? I was begotten and am still a creation of God.It is my understanding that begetting is a human act i.e. procreation the bible…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2011,17:50)Quote Bod,I believe the bible not the quran.Firstly, God is described as a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29, Exodus 15:7, Exodus 24:17, Deut 4:24, Deut 9:3, Psalm 97:3, 2nd Thes 1:7, Hebrews 10:27, 2nd Peter 3:7)What the literal lake of fire is I don't know. Just the way Mike and you were describing it made me…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 27 2011,15:56)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2011,05:17)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 26 2011,04:58)Mike,Really… as far as I know the timing is the only item withheld from the Son, He knows all but one item of the Fathers business as far as I know. This not a real issue as I agree he is a servant of the Father I was only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2011,13:10)First of all, it is not me who is saying it, but scripture.  There are more than one meaning of “logos” in scripture.  Sometimes it just refers to a spoken or written word by anyone.  Other times, it refers to the very words spoken by God through angels or prophets.  And still other times, it refers to God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2011,11:27)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2011,17:42)If you are called the last Adam and Adam is called the son of God how could you be the only begotten or the first born?You're leaving a little out of the story, aren't you?     Jesus was the last Adam “according to the flesh”, as is many times pointed out for us in s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2011,10:07)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 26 2011,15:50)So there you have it begotten sons and daughters that are not Jesus so it would be reasonable to look at your claims slightly different they were all servants and they were begotten on that day in which they became born again in the sense of repenting from evil and when…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2011,08:29)Ha ha that is so funny. You all believe in a literal lake of fire.Do you believe in a literal heaven? If so, why do you choose to believe in one as described and not the other?

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 25 2011,07:27)Yes he is a servant and a messenger.But he is also the son of God and the messiah.He was the Word that was with God and he came in the flesh.He existed in the form of God (divine nature) and emptied himself and came in the flesh.He is now in the glory that he had with God before the world began.God made all things…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2011,07:32)I'm undecided.  Why?  Does my percieved image of the lake of fire or souls have any bearing on what I said?You are totally correct here it doesn't matter what the perceived image of hell is what matters is the warning is heeded and repentence follows.There are lots of things in this life we will never e…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 26 2011,04:58)Mike,Really… as far as I know the timing is the only item withheld from the Son, He knows all but one item of the Fathers business as far as I know. This not a real issue as I agree he is a servant of the Father I was only pointing out that scripture states “I no longer call you servants, because a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2011,10:15)Amen to that.  Jesus is a servant of Jehovah.This was my whole point of this topic of reason and religion now that we all can agree that Jesus is the servant of Jehovah that should never come up again for that that agree on that point. If someone disagrees with that point then it would be reasonble to debate…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2011,09:54)Hi BD,                         Spirit(91) = Hō Lōgôs(91)            English        ↔    Hebrew       ↔    Greek      “Word of God”  ↔      “God”         ↔ “The Word””Word of God”(86) =   (אלהים](86]     = (86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs          YHVH(63)      = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)      Spirit of God(117) = (117)יהוה…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2011,07:58)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2011,07:46)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2011,06:48)Hi BD and Mike,That says 'a word' not “The Word”.Do you believe that “The Word is the “HolySpirit; BD?B'shemYHVHIs there anything that can come out of the Mouth of God that is not HOLY SPIRIT?Didn't Jesus say this?  John 6:63 It is the Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2011,06:48)Hi BD and Mike,That says 'a word' not “The Word”.Do you believe that “The Word is the “HolySpirit; BD?B'shemYHVHIs there anything that can come out of the Mouth of God that is not HOLY SPIRIT?Didn't Jesus say this? John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2011,11:01)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2011,09:47)Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus,Too bad cannonized scripture doesn't come right out and say that.    I wonder how well Ed and Gene would be able to argue that the Word isn't Jesus if it d…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,09:19)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2011,08:31)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,05:59)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2011,05:18)(1)No evil shall befall thee.(2)Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him:…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,05:59)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2011,05:18)(1)No evil shall befall thee.(2)Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. (3)If…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,05:39)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2011,05:13)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2011,04:18)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2011,03:53)If you apply that to have an ongoing meaning apart from its context then this would apply also:Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,…[Read more]