All kings were worshipped do you think the Pharoah of Egypt wasn't worshipped?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2012,14:21)BD,you said:Quote The problem Kathi is that the word lord has nothing to do with being “God” a lord means someone who is n charge or an owner such as a Land lord, your problem is thinking lord has a super natural meaning and it doesn't so Jesus could be lord without being God in any sense. But God is the Lord…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2012,12:31)Asana,Of course there are MANY other gods and lords mentioned in scripture.  How can Jesus be the Lord God appointed over you if you can't  even recognize him as your lord?To many of those who DO recognize him as Lord, he will say, “Away from me evil doers!”  What do you suppose he will say to those who do…[Read more]

Of course I disagree there are no “gods” There is ONLY ONE ACTUAL GOD. All else is just poetry and metaphor. God is THE SUPREME BEING not “a” supreme being.Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2012,08:10)BD,Look at the verse:John 17:1Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3“This is eternal lif…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,13:18)Mike,I did, in the past, assume Moses was saying about the triune God, that He was one being, yet three persons, and as one being, He was both the God of gods and the Lord of lords. I never really considered anything other than the triune God at that time, nor did I dig into the scriptures and do an in-depth…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 12 2012,08:49)It is like I never said 'context is king.' Do you guys not understand this expression? What do you think that means?? You both need to review the thread. We have discussed this.Here is a question for you guys: Does 1 Cor 8:6 tell us that our one Lord is Jesus Christ or the Father?It says Jesus Christ is “our…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 11 2012,10:28)Kathi,You've got to be kidding me, right?  Is the Father the Lord of heaven and earth?  Are there other lords in heaven and on earth?  Ergo, the Father is also a Lord of other lords, just like King David, Jesus, and many others who have lived.Shall we apply your literal interpretation of “one Lord” to the fi…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,16:37)BD,Psalms 45 is about Jesus, the Messiah and the church, His bride.Read this to help you see:http://gill.biblecommenter.com/psalms/45.htmPsalms 45 was written hundreds of years before Christ was sent to us, so who do you think the writer was referring to at thetime it was written? It was the King which most…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,15:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2012,21:01)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,21:32)BTW, what scripture has God 'appointing' the Son as 'Lord'…………You keep saying that He was appointed as Lord but I don't see it in scripture. Is this a manmade doctrine of yours?Acts 2:36“Therefore let all Israel be assured o…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,14:44)BD,You have much better understanding of my understanding than Mike does, but I do not think that the Father would call Jesus His God. in Hebrews, the Father calls Jesus “God” but Himself “your God” when talking to His Son.Heb 1:8But unto the Son he says, Your throne, O God (this is the Son), is forever and…[Read more]

So when you talk about God to kathi she has to think to herself “Which God are they talking about?”

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2012,13:12)Quote (Lightenup @ July 08 2012,21:34)Mike,for you to say this shows us that you do not 'get it' still. Maybe you should reread this thread carefully.Quote But for you to say that Jesus being Lord over other lords makes him the same being as his God, who is also a Lord over other lords (including our Lord…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 10 2012,10:58)BD,Most likely Lord of lords actually means something and not a casual metaphor. 1 Corinthians tells us that there are many gods and many lords. Have you studied history, BD? Are you aware of all the many gods that are worshiped, temples built for, idols built to represent? Jehovah is of course the one true…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2012,06:53)Mike,You are certainly falling short of applying my logic. Jesus as the Lord of lords and king of kings in the NT pre-exists His flesh existence as a heavenly being. If Neb and Art didn't do that, then clearly the use of 'king of kings' is not anywhere near who Jesus is. But you know this, don't you or am I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2012,06:18)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2012,13:03)………..so Kathi needs to follow Jesus and go through him to get to know “GOD” and stop calling the door the destination.Amen.  I have made that point myself to Kathi, Keith and Jack before.  Why go THROUGH Jesus to get to God if you've already reached God by r…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2012,13:03)Kathi,I pray that you accept the fact that for us, there is but one God Almighty, the Father.  But He has a Son, Priest, Servant, Mediator, and Anointed One that He set up as King and Lord over us.  That one is also very powerful and deserves much praise and honor, but he is not the Most High God who begot h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2012,09:09)Quote (Lightenup @ July 05 2012,15:32)Mike,Are there any theos for us as our authority besides the Father and the only begotten theos, the Son?I don't know about now, Kathi, but I assume their will be.  The Apostles will sit on thrones with Jesus and rule over us with him, right?  And by this time, they w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 06 2012,08:27)BD,Did you exist before you were born/begotten? I'd say you did, probably for about 9 months. The term 'begotten' does not necessarily equal the very start of existence. I believe that the Son was begotten, i.e. brought forth from within the Father as an offspring that was always within the Father. There is no…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 06 2012,08:23)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 05 2012,14:38)So you do agree that The Father is the Ultimate and Highest Authority that much you have already said. So all semantics aside what you call the one having the Highest Authority is what we call GOD ALMIGHTY.You can call as many people as you like “God” but you have…[Read more]