Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2012,06:00)I used the word 'extreme.' I didn't say that He didn't want to suffer or not. He did accept it but could of called on legions of angels to take Him from it…but He did not. Jesus showed amazing courage, see here:Matt 26:47While He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the twelve, came up accompanied by a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2012,04:09)BD,Do you not remember me telling you the answer to this? The 'cup' was the horrible extent of suffering, not the death. This proves that He did indeed become flesh and felt every bit of the suffering. He knew He was going to suffer and die, but was wanting to be spared the 'extreme' suffering. If He did not…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 17 2012,01:12)Jesus never asked to be saved from dying for our sins, BD.Then what did he mean by asking for this cup to be taken from him? Why was he in the garden sweating, crying and pleading he asked 3 times Father TAKE THIS CUP from me.He DID NOT WANT TO BE CRUCIFIED or KILLED how can you go against the scriptures and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2012,11:32)Actually, Jesus was bringing the spectators' attention to Ps 22, Asana.  He did not really think God had forsaken him, for he already knew ahead of time what he was getting into.  With his final words, he began the 22nd Psalm, “my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” – and then he ended that same Psalm w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2012,15:57)BD,Jesus could never not be the begotten God. He emptied Himself to take on the form of a bondservant starting out as an infant. It is quite an act of love on His part to do so. He gave up so much in order to become a bondservant and live the life of a poor man, a man who actually as the only begotten God,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2012,14:51)BD,you said:Quote Why would he need to grow in Spirit and why would he need the Grace of God upon him if he himself is also God?So you are saying Jesus a spirit son first right? So he was begotten twice once in th spirit and once in the flesh?He needed to grow in Spirit because He emptied Himself of whatever…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2012,14:51)BD,you said:Quote Why would he need to grow in Spirit and why would he need the Grace of God upon him if he himself is also God?So you are saying Jesus a spirit son first right? So he was begotten twice once in th spirit and once in the flesh?He needed to grow in Spirit because He emptied Himself of whatever…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2012,07:57)BD,I was asking about information regarding what took place BEFORE the Son was brought forth/begotten BEFORE the ages. Your Luke verse has nothing to do with that question, sorry.Obviously, when the pre-existent Son became flesh as a baby He had to grow and develop.Why would he need to grow in Spirit and why…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2012,13:43)BD,I think that it is you that confuses potentiality with actuality. For instance…when I was a teenager, I had the potential to be a mother. I had all the right parts. When I was married and conceived my first child, I changed from being a potential mother to being an actual mother since from the point of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 13 2012,07:53)Mike,you said:Quote I know from much experience with Kathi that her secular information doesn't ever end up proving the point she was “slickly” trying to prove with it.Oh, really…do you still think that the child did not exist before he/she was born/begotten? I believe that I proved that he/she did.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2012,18:26)BD,Mitosis answered these questions from Mike:Quote Can you give me an example from nature where the thing begotten was “ALWAYS” within the thing that begot it?Can you give an example where the one who was begotten wasn't also subject to a time when he did not exist?Would you agree that mitosis shows an…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2012,04:01)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 09 2012,22:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2012,14:29)BD,Perhaps the role of parents in the family would help you understand what I am saying. The husband is the head of the wife, yet they are considered one flesh…right?The husband and wife are equally human…right?The husband and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2012,17:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 06 2012,19:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2012,15:24)Begot means to bring forth into existence that which was in existence within when 'begot' refers to birth.And what thing was ever brought forth into existence which had already existed from eternity?Any examples?Kathi, this grows…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 09 2012,14:29)BD,Perhaps the role of parents in the family would help you understand what I am saying. The husband is the head of the wife, yet they are considered one flesh…right?The husband and wife are equally human…right?The husband and wife are together the supreme human authority of their children…they are to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 08 2012,15:39)BD,Wherever did you get the idea that I think Jesus is the God 'of' the Father? He is from the Father, not over the Father!Also as there is one true God, there is also one true begotten God. Both are united as one supreme authority.How is there one supreme Authority when One has Authority over the other and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2012,15:08)BD,”Targum fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls indicate that use of written targumim can be dated to pre-Christian times, and eventually two of these written Targumim, Targum Onqelos on the Pentateuch and Targum Jonathan on the Prophets gained official status, and were specifically designated for use in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2012,08:33)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2012,14:11)Also Kathi Jesus declares that The Father is The Only “true” God wouldn't that mean God of any type? Here is the Problem Jesus claims that the God he worships he worships along with the other Jews:John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for…[Read more]

Also Kathi Jesus declares that The Father is The Only “true” God wouldn't that mean God of any type? Here is the Problem Jesus claims that the God he worships he worships along with the other Jews:John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.So clearly you can see here that Jesus is specifically…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2012,15:28)BD,In light of the Father being the only true God, Jesus is the only true Begotten God. There is no conflict there.So, with that understanding, yes, Jesus said that and no, He was not mistaken.Swhen Jesus says that The Father is greater than he is do you understand that to mean that the Unbegotten God is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2012,10:03)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2012,00:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2012,15:14)BD,Quote I have nothing but respect for your love of God but it is for that very reason I am discussing this issue with you it is truly out of love, respect and admiration.Thank you for the compliment  I love and respect you as…[Read more]