Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2010,12:03)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2010,11:42)Mike Boll,Cats are formed, i.e made, in the likeness of a cat in their mother's womb.  An embryonic cat does not look like what we call a cat but by the time it is born it does. Not so fast there, mister! Can a fully grown cat be made in the likeness of a cat?mikeCan a cat…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 27 2010,05:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,03:02)Quote (barley @ Sep. 26 2010,23:41)I book that I would recommend that you find and read is Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille's book on the subject of pneuma hagion.Hi barley,Thanks, but unlike you and Martian, the only book I need is the Bible.  I don't need some other mere human…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,03:02)Quote (barley @ Sep. 26 2010,23:41)I book that I would recommend that you find and read is Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille's book on the subject of pneuma hagion.Hi barley,Thanks, but unlike you and Martian, the only book I need is the Bible.  I don't need some other mere human telling me how to believe.Besides,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 20 2010,23:29)Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,21:54)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 20 2010,09:29)Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,07:58)Ed J,Quote ,Since JC was the offspring of Daviddoes that not imply that1.  David preexisted Jesus Christ?2.  Jesse who was David's father preexisted David by one generation?3.   Jesse preexisted Jesus Christ by tw…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 20 2010,09:29)Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,07:58)Ed J,Quote ,Since JC was the offspring of Daviddoes that not imply that1.  David preexisted Jesus Christ?2.  Jesse who was David's father preexisted David by one generation?3.   Jesse preexisted Jesus Christ by two generations?Maybe you can answer these questions?barleyHi Ba…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 20 2010,02:03)Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,00:20)Quote Where do you get off telling me and JA that we don't have scriptural truth?  I am sure you have some.  But as Gene clearly pointed out and I concur, your focus is too narrow.  You only see what you want to see.  You see only one branch in a forest full of trees.barleyHI Bar…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 20 2010,00:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2010,15:32)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2010,11:42)Barely rightly described what you do Mike trying to push your dogmas, and martian also spoke the truth you have failed to produced any reason for GOD to MORPH a Pre-earth being and pass him off as a real human being of some kind. So…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2010,15:32)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2010,11:42)Barely rightly described what you do Mike trying to push your dogmas, and martian also spoke the truth you have failed to produced any reason for GOD to MORPH a Pre-earth being and pass him off as a real human being of some kind. So did Marty by the Way.In fact you…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Sep. 19 2010,23:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2010,03:06)When will you answer the scripture in question oatmeal?  barley:Quote As YOU present them, they seem indisputable. Then why don't you CLEARLY present a scripture that changes the word “human being” in Phil 2:7 into something else?  Is there some CLEAR scriptures that imply t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2010,03:06)When will you answer the scripture in question oatmeal?  barley:Quote As YOU present them, they seem indisputable. Then why don't you CLEARLY present a scripture that changes the word “human being” in Phil 2:7 into something else?  Is there some CLEAR scriptures that imply that “Branch” DOESN'T mean “came a…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 25 2010,07:48)The Word “God” is a TITLE … Not a Person.It means “Mighty One”…There is nothing Suspicious, odd, strange, corrupt, etc about the verse. It means “The Only Begotten Mighty One”.There is nothing to query – no depths to Plumb.Please understand this and you will understand a great deal more… Please.Good point.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,07:29)Quote (barley @ Sep. 11 2010,12:57)Mikeboll,If those were the only verses in scripture, I would agree that those verses teach the preexistence of JC.However, please take note that those are not the only verses in scripture.Genesis 3:15God announced his plan for a redeemer, while Adam and Eve were the only two…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 11 2010,13:11)Barley,You argument only stands up of you belief that Jesus was ONLY Man and was only ever Man.Otherwise what you write doesn't make sense.There is nothing wrong with what Mike has written – just the desperation for others to deliberately misinterpret it.What is the “Root” if the “Branch” means “After”.It is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,15:00)Jesus is said to be both the Root AND the Branch of David.  Here's are the scriptures:Isaiah 11:10 NIVIn that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.Romans 15:12 NIVAnd again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,16:13)Hi barley,I see NOTHING figurative anywhere in John 17:2-6.  Jesus says exactly what he means.  If you want, we can discuss why YOU would think any of those verses are figurative.  Is that what it will take for you to just answer the question of why you think 17:5 must be figurative?  Because I see this as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,13:49)Hi barley,This is not a “game” with any set “rules”.If you can't tell from these 4 threads whether or not I believe the words in John 17:5 to be literal, then you haven't been paying attention to well.I posted a scripture that I think clearly indicates Jesus' pre-existence.  The PERSON Jesus says “the glory…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2010,11:34)“Not necessarily” and “maybe it's figurative” is what Gene and barley and the rest have come up with since the start of these “pre-existent scripture” threads:Gene:Quote MIke……….Again Origin does not necessarily mean a PreexistenceOkay Gene   His origins are from ancient times, but his “origin” was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2010,10:33)Quote (barley @ Sep. 07 2010,09:16)Until you obtain those, II Corinthians 4:4, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”barleyHi barley,Won't you come join Gene and I in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,13:32)I'm sorry barley, but did you actually answer a question somewhere in that post?mikeMikeboll,I am sorry, too, that you cannot recognize the answers that I gave directly from scripture.He that has eyes to see and ears to hear would recognize the answers to your questions.Until you obtain those, II Corinthians…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 07 2010,02:33)MIke……….Again Origin does not necessarily mean a Preexistence (BEING) as you suppose it does, it can Just as easily mean a Planned event . Jesus was the First MAN from the HUMAN RACE GOD (Planned) to be perfected into a Son of GOD from the foundations of the earth, it was His PLAN from the very…[Read more]