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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 08 2010,15:38)Hi Barley,Usually I see people denying and negating a Bible verse by stating the verse was incorrectly translated and proceed to give the Greek or Hebrew word(s) and what it should mean.  This is a first whereby I've seen the entire text negated by referring authoritatively to what “others point out” as…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 08 2010,15:38)Hi Barley,Usually I see people denying and negating a Bible verse by stating the verse was incorrectly translated and proceed to give the Greek or Hebrew word(s) and what it should mean.  This is a first whereby I've seen the entire text negated by referring authoritatively to what “others point out” as…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 31 2010,15:27)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 30 2010,15:35)Mikeboll said:Quote They also believe that the phrase “prototokos pasa ktisis” does not really mean “firstborn of every creature” even though the Greek words mean exactly that.  They argue that “firstborn” really means “preeminence” and “of every creature” really…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,05:16)By definition God has no mother or father (or genealogy), or beginning of days nor end of life; so by definition this “person” must be God.Jesus has a Father and cannot be God.  But Melchizedek who has neither has the characteristics of God.If you answered “No” then who else could this person be?  Don't say J…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,05:16)By definition God has no mother or father (or genealogy), or beginning of days nor end of life; so by definition this “person” must be God.Jesus has a Father and cannot be God.  But Melchizedek who has neither has the characteristics of God.If you answered “No” then who else could this person be?  Don't say J…[Read more]

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    Quote (RokkaMan @ July 04 2010,05:43)Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,05:35)Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,08:17)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2010,07:39)Hi RM, Are you so impatient with dissenters that you would DAMN them?Don't attack God for the mistakes of Man. If I damn you, it doesn't change scripture. —-BTW ED J you need to read the content of…[Read more]

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    Quote (RokkaMan @ June 29 2010,09:02)I pulled this from another section of this website.The section was examining if the trinity doctrince was IN scripture. I do not support the trinity doctrine but I would like to examine the claims.The section was stating Jesus is not God and gave these examples to understand who Jesus is.Quote God has spoken to…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic Salvation in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (chosenone @ July 07 2010,01:59)Being involved in this site for some time now, I have come to the conclusion that no two people can agree completely on what is required for salvation.  Many do agree on some things, but it seems that NO ONE agrees 100% with anyone else.   Is this so difficult?  Is our God a God of confusion?  How can any…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (RokkaMan @ July 04 2010,04:31)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2010,00:56)Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,00:34)Quote (RokkaMan @ June 18 2010,21:25)I would like your thoughts on this.I am not trying to tie Jesus as being The Word of God even thought it is expressed in the bible.But is The Word of God…God himself?After i get a bunch of your…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,06:42)Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,05:41)Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,08:51)Quote (Oxy @ June 19 2010,18:46)Quote (942767 @ June 19 2010,20:34)Hi Oxy:Is the bible the Word of God?Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty, I know that everyone calls the Bible the Word of God, but God Himself taught me differently.  There are a few…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,03:34)Quote (barley @ July 05 2010,01:40)Along these lines, Jesus Christ is referred to in several places to have been raised up and sat at the right hand of the throne of God. Trinitarians like to say that supports their theory that JC is God.  So I point out that JC is sitting at the right hand of the throne of…[Read more]

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    Quote (karmarie @ May 09 2010,14:02)Thankyou David and Mike, that was something I was having trouble understanding myself, you explained it well!So what is the holy Spirit? Why do the early church writtings (anti nicene) describe the Holy Spirit (example one Father one Son and one Holy Spirit).. need to look more into this.What is, or who is, the…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2010,13:35)Hi David,Great post! :)   I agree with you that it will probably not be one of the ones WJ “picks and chooses” to answer. :D I have one more point to add, if I may:Why in New Jerusalem will there only be two thrones for members of the godhead?  There is one for the Father and one for the Son.  Where is the th…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ May 09 2010,09:41)“. . . Matthew 28:19 is unambiguous evidence that the early Apostles and Church Fathers believed in a Trinity.”–WJThe fact that 3 were mentioned in no way proves anything other than the fact that some can count to 3!QUESTION 1:  If these three are a trinity, would it not be a disrespect of immense magnitude to…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2010,07:09)Quote (barley @ July 03 2010,11:49)Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2010,13:09)Quote (barley @ July 02 2010,12:26)Why would believers preexist?   Why bother with sending them down to earth to live if we were already with God before?  What about unbelievers?  Why send them down to earth to live if they were already wi…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 03 2010,15:43)Quote (barley @ July 02 2010,12:26)I do not in the general scheme of the scriptures, have any reason to conclude that either you or I or Jeremiah or Jesus Christ existed before we were born.  God, having foreknowledge would have know about us before our conceptions and births, even as far back as “before the…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (Oxy @ June 19 2010,18:46)Quote (942767 @ June 19 2010,20:34)Hi Oxy:Is the bible the Word of God?Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty, I know that everyone calls the Bible the Word of God, but God Himself taught me differently.  There are a few things that need to be considered.1. There is not one Scripture in all the Bible that specifically calls…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2010,08:51)Quote (Oxy @ June 19 2010,18:46)Quote (942767 @ June 19 2010,20:34)Hi Oxy:Is the bible the Word of God?Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty, I know that everyone calls the Bible the Word of God, but God Himself taught me differently.  There are a few things that need to be considered.1. There is not one Scripture in all…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ June 19 2010,18:05)Hi RM:My position is that there is One God who is above all including Jesus.Whether or not you agree, that is what the Word of God teaches.Quote Ephesians 4:6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Quote 1 Co. 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (Oxy @ June 19 2010,18:35)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2010,18:54)Hi RM,Fruit?Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.All scripture is inspired. 2 peter 1Scripture is inspired, yes and amen, but it is words we read.The words that proceed from the mouth of God are the words He speaks to us day by day…[Read more]

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