Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,14:54)Hi B, Do you have the anointing and the authority to declare these things?How can you be so sure about this THORN IN THE FLESH?Nick,Yes.That is what the scriptures teach.b

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2010,14:57)Quote (barley @ July 28 2010,14:06)No, actually you read different words than those that are there.Hey barley and all,Read it again:5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God,     did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:28)Hello All,Does John 6:62 prove Jesus pre-existed?  I say yes.  What say you all?62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!mikeMikeboll64,Nope!barley

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2010,12:27)Hi B, Go back to your post and you will understand.Nick, I can see that it is time for me to teach some more.People do not understand the expression,  “thorn in the flesh”. This is not a literal expression.  It is a figure of speech.  God uses figures of speech to emphasize truths that need em…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:00)Okay barley Gene and Martian,You have all made it clear that you read the words differently than I do.  I want to point out one last thing before calling Phil 2 a stalemate.  And by that, I mean there is no sense in us brothers beating each other up when it is clear that none of us is just being obstinate h…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 26 2010,15:32)Hi B, People are not IN THE FLESH.Hi N,What is your point? What are you talking about? Would you care to engage in a meaningful conversation? barley

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,11:55)Quote (barley @ July 26 2010,11:00)Might I add?Jesus Christ chose to be obedient to his parents.  I chose to be obedient to mine.Hi barley,Why do you keep avoiding the very simple question?  If Jesus was already in the form of a human WHILE he was in the form of God, how did he then empty himself and be m…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ July 25 2010,03:32)For years I have wasted time debating with those that are no more fair with scriptural analisis then Hitler was fair to the Jews. Scripture is simply a tool provided by God and used by Christians to understand the workings of God, His character, and to understand His plan for mankind. In order to be fair and…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 23 2010,14:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2010,10:49)Hi All,This thread is ONLY for discussing whether or not Phillipians 2 implies Jesus pre-existed.Please don't post your opinions on the matter as a whole, but limit them ONLY to your understanding of Phil 2.5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who,…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 23 2010,14:54)Barley,Have I not asked you to think with a Spiritual mind – not a Fleshly one. What gives that you continue the same way as before?Interesting.   the topic here is Philippians 2, not Romans 8:1-16 and I Corinthians 12:1-14:40.  See I Corinthians 12:1.  See I Corinthians 12:7-10.  Are we discussing the man…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 23 2010,10:49)Hi All,This thread is ONLY for discussing whether or not Phillipians 2 implies Jesus pre-existed.Please don't post your opinions on the matter as a whole, but limit them ONLY to your understanding of Phil 2.5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God,      …[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,17:49)Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,11:12)Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,08:13)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2010,03:35)EDJ………..I have always said Jesus preexisted (IN) the plan and WILL of GOD, Just as we have , that does not mean we or he existed in any state other then in the Nothing more and nothing Less. Jesus or us…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,16:33)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 13 2010,10:48)Hi Oxy, But is the Spirit that PROCEEDS from God now separate from God?Or are we made one with Jesus and God IN that Spirit?We are indeed made one with Jesus and Father through the Holy Spirit whom God sent.This is the way the Lord explained it to me.  There are three feasts,…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,16:27)Quote (t8 @ June 13 2010,13:25)No man has ever seen God.Men have seen God's glory in the form of angels, the son, even creation.But no man has seen God's form.Actually he is a spirit that can dwell in all. How do you see that?Like a prism when light shines into it. The glory of the light is beautiful, but the prism…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,07:40)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,09:31)Oxy………Exactly what about that, did that make those who GOD spoke to and (through) like the Prophets a GOD? NO,  so why did that all change with Jesus?. What difference is there in what GOD Did In Jesus that he did not do in the Prophets. Remember it say (GOD) spoke to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,07:17)Oxy……..I believe you are thinking that is not the question  here , what i am questing is you interpitation of what you are reading brother not your thinking about it. The Glory Jesus had in the beginning was a Predestined GLORY and Jesus the MAN understood that God had predestined Him for that Glory,…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 13 2010,05:36)Hi Isa 1:18, thanks for the welcome.At the end of the day, all Scripture was given by a perfect God through the hands of imperfect man and then translated by imperfect man.  A preface in the front of one Bible clearly states that “They have done their best..”However, the very Word of God (Jesus) is perfect and the…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,11:50)Quote (terraricca @ June 12 2010,12:30)Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,03:53)Quote (t8 @ July 04 2007,12:52)Everyone is right in their own eyes. That is why we must trust scripture over our own view and keep away from the creeds of men.If we are to rely on Scripture so much, how do we deal with contradictions?  For…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,03:53)Quote (t8 @ July 04 2007,12:52)Everyone is right in their own eyes. That is why we must trust scripture over our own view and keep away from the creeds of men.If we are to rely on Scripture so much, how do we deal with contradictions?  For example, Mat 27:3  Then he who had betrayed Him, seeing that He was c…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,03:35)It's been a long time since I posted here.  Have you missed me?  lolThere are so many instances recorded in the Old Testament of people seeing God, and this number increases dramatically if you believe what John said in John 1 about the Word being in the beginning and being with God and being God.  With that in mi…[Read more]