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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2010,13:52)Hi barley,Whoo Hoo!  FINALLY A RESPONSE TO WHAT THIS THREAD IS ACTUALLY ABOUT!   :D You said:Quote It reminds me of the question, “Are you still beating your wife?”A very simple answer would be, “I have never beaten my wife sir, so your question is invalid.”   ??? You said:Quote 1.  For instance, “If he WAS in hu…[Read more]

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    Quote (jhenTux @ May 31 2010,19:17)While Pope John Paul II venerated the shroud each time it was displayed from 1978 until 2000, praying before it and calling it “this most precious linen” and “a unique witness” to the Savior's redemption, he also urged researchers in 1998 not to let their biases in favor of its authenticity cloud their scientific…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2010,04:18)Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,14:04)By the authority that God had given him as His Son and His Christ, he was in the “form of God”, but he did not let this “go to his head”.  The scripture states that “he made himself not reputation”, but became like us in every way allowing himself to be tempted in every way…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2010,15:34)Marty,You make a statement that is either true or untrue depending on what you mean by “extraordinary” human being.   You state that Jesus is an “extraordinary” human being because he is the “Only Begotten Son of the Living God”.   If you mean “extraordinary” in the same sense that any President of the U.S. woul…[Read more]

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    Quote (martian @ Aug. 02 2010,08:05)Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 02 2010,01:42)94,Is it really conceivable that you are astounded by a Holiwood movie. Holiwood is an abomination to God's world.It's sole purpose is to make money, entertainment is a clise third.It is false to truth, as you have found out. Accurate depiction are the last item on their…[Read more]

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    Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 02 2010,01:42)94,Is it really conceivable that you are astounded by a Holiwood movie. Holiwood is an abomination to God's world.It's sole purpose is to make money, entertainment is a clise third.It is false to truth, as you have found out. Accurate depiction are the last item on their agenda.94,  i keep saying…All basic…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 3 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2010,02:29)Hi barley/oatmeal,So your contention is that because Jesus wasn't literally a loaf of bread, he didn't literally ascend to where he was before?Oh but he did.  And the disciples actually watched him ascend.  And Stephen actually saw to where he ascended.I don't remember Stephen seeing any “saints” also at G…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,15:31)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2010,15:13)Marty…….Jesus said we shall all be taught by GOD. The Spirit give us the understanding we need (IT) BOTH ACCUSES US AND DEFENDS US,  and again, “brethren you have no need of a teacher for the Spirit itself shall teach you all things”. IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2010,15:40)Barley,What you state sounds correct to my ears.You fellow student,KerwinKerwin,Likewise I am thrilled.It is only from the scriptures that we can keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.  Ephesians 4:3.As we raise up ourselves more and more to the level of life that the scriptures teach us to do, the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 18 2010,07:33)Hi B, Why do you think man is God's most precious creation??Nick,Does it matter what I think?  Or more to the point.  Should you regard my opinion as some kind of authority?  No.You would be wrong if you did.I think you know that.Of course, it does matter what I think.  The best thoughts that I can thin…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,14:13)Quote (barley @ July 30 2010,13:57)Does that literally mean that God has a bakery next to his throne, and some angels or cherubims were given the task of baking manna?  If the manna literally came from heaven, why?  Couldn't God find some way of producing it here on earth?What if the manna ascended back up t…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,10:44)Hi JA, Folks should dig deep and lay their foundations on rock. Instead they plant more weeds among the thorns.Futility on futility for mostNick,I like that.Wisdom for the ages.b

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (martian @ July 30 2010,03:13)Mike says he checks the context. This is untrue. Context means you check any other scriptures having to do with the subject. To say that Christ ascended to a literal place he was before presupposes that he was there to begin with.John 6:33″For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven.”John 6:38″I…[Read more]

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    Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,13:50)Quote (barley @ July 30 2010,21:28)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2010,10:42)Hi B, Where do the scriptures teach that Paul's thorn in the flesh was other people?nick,God is the author of the entire word of God.  God knows what He is talking about.  When God uses a word or a phrase in His word, the meaning of i…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,12:36)Quote (barley @ July 29 2010,10:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:28)Hello All,Does John 6:62 prove Jesus pre-existed?  I say yes.  What say you all?62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!mikeMikeboll64,Nope!barleyHi barley,Why not?mikeMikeboll64,Rather than repeat.  See 94…[Read more]

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    barley replied to the topic John 6:62 in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ July 29 2010,09:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:28)Hello All,Does John 6:62 prove Jesus pre-existed?  I say yes.  What say you all?62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!mikeHi Mike:No, it does not prove that he preexisted as a sentient person.Granted it is a little difficult to understand what J…[Read more]

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    Quote (martian @ July 30 2010,11:23)Quote (barley @ July 30 2010,10:30)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:34)I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2010,10:42)Hi B, Where do the scriptures teach that Paul's thorn in the flesh was other people?nick,God is the author of the entire word of God.  God knows what He is talking about.  When God uses a word or a phrase in His word, the meaning of it generally is consistent throughout the rest of the scriptures.  …[Read more]

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    Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:34)I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I guess they get their opinions verified by pimples forming on their knees…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,14:59)Hi B, You state” Paul's thorn in the flesh is people, who obstructed Paul's ministry”Do you have any real evidence or is this just your opinion??Nick,Yes, no.b

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