Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,06:44)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2010,10:10)martian………..Right on,  God and His Word are one and the same thing, just as our words and us are the same thing. The word of God is an (IT) and (IT) is GOD, and the word (IT) was (IN) Jesus by the Christos or anointing. The false teaching of the Trinity is…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 18 2010,03:58)Gene,There is a possibility I may have to go into the hospital again for a few weeks. I may not be on here for a while. You nad barley might be on your own for a while. I will see if my lap top is working or I can get a signal in the hospital room. Don't know for sure.Martian,There is a children's song, that…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 15 2010,21:33)Quote (barley @ Aug. 15 2010,17:39)Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 13 2010,22:15)AMEN SeekingTruth, that is how I see it as well. Thank you for that verse. Marty, We are in this world, We are one in Christ, May we all meet up one day,Lightenup, thank you. God is good. ————————————–David, Barley…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 11 2009,04:54)2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 13 2010,16:04)Quote (barley @ Aug. 13 2010,17:12)Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 07 2010,14:22)Hi,Does it really matter if someone believes in the Trinity or not ?A non Trinitarian would feel uncomfortable in a Church where people are worshipping Jesus, as there is little mention of God, or if God is mentioned I think most would be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2010,01:30)Mike……….Your problem is to convience us that , that glory Jesus had (Before) as an existing Being of some kind. God has destined may to that glory, here is an example. “What is man that thou are so mindful of him, and the sons of men that your are so kind to them , for thou hast created them lower…[Read more]

Interesting question.Is Psalm 2:7 literal or somehow figurative? or some of both? This is certainly a prophetic psalm concerning God and Jesus Christ.  The psalmist was the recipient and writer of the revelation.verses 1-3 speak as if in the present tense, yet are future events.”1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?2…[Read more]

Interesting question.Is Psalm 2:7 literal or somehow figurative? or some of both? This is certainly a prophetic psalm concerning God and Jesus Christ.  The psalmist was the recipient and writer of the revelation.verses 1-3 speak as if in the present tense, yet are future events.”1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?2…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider it.Martiani was looking at your remarks and i jump away of my computer screen to…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?What kind of fruit does it…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 13 2010,22:15)AMEN SeekingTruth, that is how I see it as well. Thank you for that verse. Marty, We are in this world, We are one in Christ, May we all meet up one day,Lightenup, thank you. God is good. ————————————–David, Barley and Martian, viewing Christ as a man who could have sinned but overcame,…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 09 2010,09:33)Some have shown disdain for the methods by which I interpret scripture. To show I am not alone I give you this author which says the same as me.http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/study_Bible.htmlRules of Interpretation In addition to the seven basic guidelines above, there are nine basic rules of…[Read more]

Quote (gsilva72 @ May 07 2008,10:45)How is Jesus not God? Jesus is not a demi god, but he is God. Hebrews 1:8, Matthew 1:23, John 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:16 all declare that Jesus is God. Also notice that the G in God with these scriptures is not a little g. None of those verses declare that he is God. At least not “the God”. barley

Quote (martian @ Aug. 08 2010,03:54)John's Predecessor?Jn.1:15 certainly suggests a pre-existence as it appears in the KJV; “John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.” First, the idea of preference is not found in the Greek. The word translated…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 10 2010,04:48)Yahweh's Foreordained PlanA favorite verse of pre-existence proponents is Jn.17:24. It reads, “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world .” It would seem that the…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 07 2010,14:22)Hi,Does it really matter if someone believes in the Trinity or not ?A non Trinitarian would feel uncomfortable in a Church where people are worshipping Jesus, as there is little mention of God, or if God is mentioned I think most would be thinking of Jesus . To a Non Trinitarian they see Jesus as what He said…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2010,14:18)Hi barley,I don't understand you guys either.  What's going on here?  When I read the Bible, this passage (along with many others) clearly said to me that Jesus pre-existed.I'm not ignoring select words in the verses, but just pointing out the ones that undoubtedly speak of a pre-existence.  And now that I&…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 08 2010,03:52)I will be posting several quotes on the subjects of Christ.http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/preexist%3f.htmlYahweh Sent His SonThe New Testament uses several phrases that would suggest that our Savior existed as a being in heaven prior to his earthly birth. Among those phrases are; “sent His Son,” “sent into…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 05 2010,11:54)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2010,02:54)Mike………..Paul was talking about a (existence  of a past event) when Jesus existed on earth before his assent He existed in the (form or nature ) of God because  God was (IN) Him , but he did not try to be equal with Him because he was a man and not a GOD and H…[Read more]