T8 wrote:Quote A person that mugs, steals, rapes, or whatever, most likely doesn't care that much about the after-life and judgement. Non-belief would surely only help or give less reasons to care about such crimes. Such crimes when added up must constitute as one of the biggest forms of violence on the planet.Government murders in the 20th…[Read more]

T8,Again, I don't begrudge you having a preference for one option over another.  Obviously, you don't subscribe to what I proposed, but I was only trying to show that there were more than the three options that you originally provided.  I don't think that we have a disagreement here.

T8,Further, do you really think that Bodhitharta has met the following request:Quote You disputed the option by claiming, “Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity … .“.I asked you to substantiate your claim by showing that it is an undisputed universal law as you previously implied.If so, can you point out where?

T8,I should have known that our brief moment of agreement would not last.  I have been repeating myself enough to Bodhitharta.  Apparently, now I have to repeat myself to you as well.From my original post:Perhaps the universe is part of a larger N-dimensional system that has multiple universes that expand and collapse continuously, without b…[Read more]

bodhitharta,OK.  Let me explain how this tennis match is shaping up.I provided an additional option to the three that T8 supplied.  Ball was in his (and apparently your) court.You disputed the option by claiming, “Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity … .“.  Ball was in my court.I asked you to substantiate your claim by sh…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2010,21:36)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 03 2010,14:55)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2010,07:25)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 03 2010,10:25)bodhitharta,Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity … .If the above is a fact, then you should be able to easily find it stated in a reputable resource on the internet.  Go…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 03 2010,07:25)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 03 2010,10:25)bodhitharta,Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity … .If the above is a fact, then you should be able to easily find it stated in a reputable resource on the internet.  Go find a reference and post the link.What do you mean? Why would that even be…[Read more]

bodhitharta,Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity … .If the above is a fact, then you should be able to easily find it stated in a reputable resource on the internet.  Go find a reference and post the link.

Conjecture:a : inference from defective or presumptive evidence b : a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c : a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disprovedI think that all three definitions fit nicely with what you are trying to do.I asked you to cite the source of your claim:Consciousness must proceed Objectivity…[Read more]

In other words, the answer to my question is : according to you.There is no universal law such as the one you suggested, and your conjecture on the subject does not equate to the same thing.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 02 2010,06:37)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 02 2010,10:29)bodhitharta wrote:Quote Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity and all objects are subjected to forces.According to what, or more likely, whom?(Hint: T8, whom I think we can agree is the furthest thing from an atheist, has acknowledged my proposition as…[Read more]

bodhitharta wrote:Quote Consciousness must proceed Objectivity and Subjectivity and all objects are subjected to forces.According to what, or more likely, whom?(Hint: T8, whom I think we can agree is the furthest thing from an atheist, has acknowledged my proposition as a legitimate option.  What are you missing that he understands?)

T8,I appreciate your response.I certainly don't believe that you should ignore whatever personal evidence you believe that you have, but I did want to make clear that many people don't have such evidence and are therefore perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of god(s).

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 26 2010,15:38)Quote Every professed Christian agrees that Jesus livedJesus DiedJesus was risen from the deadJesus had disciplesJesus was the SonJesus is Christ(I corrected that for you above.)Yep, if it stopped right there, it would be easy.God calls us and opens our eyes, suddenly the Bible has real meaning, we cant put it…[Read more]

T8 wrote:Quote I said that all positions were ludicrous and that those who say that they don't believe in God because it is ludicrous are ignoring the fact that the truth has to be ludicrous because it will be so far removed from our everyday experience of life. T8 then wrote:Quote The actual point with this whole debate is that it is unreasonable…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 26 2010,11:14)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,15:48)O ye of limited imagination.What if consciousness is a fundamental property of this “multi-verse”?  What if our universe is consciously evolving?  Before you dismiss the idea out of hand, read the following and report back to the class:My Big TOE TrilogyOnce again C…[Read more]

O ye of limited imagination.What if consciousness is a fundamental property of this “multi-verse”?  What if our universe is consciously evolving?  Before you dismiss the idea out of hand, read the following and report back to the class:My Big TOE Trilogy

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 26 2010,05:46)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,10:31)T8,Did you miss, or purposely ignore, this question:Quote Now before you claim that this multiple universe must have a beginning, answer this question: Does your god have to have a beginning?  If not, what quality does this god possess that could not be ascribed to the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 26 2010,07:48)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Feb. 26 2010,07:23)Just curious, but do Christians actually agree on anything?I have observed over the course of my bible studies that for every doctrine there seems to be two opposing camps within Christianity, and both sides claim biblical support.  So, my question is:Can you name one…[Read more]

This topic is not about me. If you want to have a personal discussion, send me a private message.Did you have a response to the opening post?