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I dont know the real reason why God would destroy the two cities..It cant be just evil and they were worship a Idol..Those people didnt know the Laws of God…

Remember the Laws of God was given to Moses because no one knew the laws..

Also the Laws was given to the Hebrew people..But yet the Gentiles were sideline and was punish because they knew the difference?

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I dont have nothing against people life style..It dont matter to me if they are Gay or not..However you cant tell me the Jews at that time would not stone those who have same sex partners?

Maybe the Torah has to be revised to say it was ok for and Adam and Steve? The only thing they cant do is be fruitful and multiply…

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Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 16 2007,02:30)

Uni, So you advocate killing homosexuals? Are you ignorant enough to believe that S&G were destroyed because of gay men? Ypu may want to wring your brain out it is thoroughly washed.

So are you saying it is ok tobe homosexual? Is it ok to have incest with animals as well? The Holiness Code for the Jews also included that children who cursed their parents should be put to death. Adultery for both parties were to be killed, as well as for incest, and etc. Why just pick same sex partners in 2007 to condem as sinners?? Abomination in the bible usually means something ritually impure, like eating pork, engaging in sexual relations at the time of a womans period. Abomination was used as a description of what a Gentile did, and was not considered as evil or a violation of the commandments. Man has used verses to control what they can't understand, and even when given clear concise explanations of Homosexuality by present day Medical authorities cling stubbornly to old history. Very sad.

Actually, according to the Torah, the punishment for violating just about all of the Ten Commandments was death. Funny how folks don't seem to want to display in schools that a child who disrespects his parents should be stoned to death.

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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 15 2007,03:52) Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 15 2007,00:15) I have a question. What is the big deal in excepting the entire Holy Bible, Old and New Testaments as 100% truth from God? The advocating of stoning children to death would be a good start.  Or do you not accept this part of the 100%? Stuart Yes stuff like that was in there but isn't it interesting that the death penalty in in Israel is almost non-existent while in the 'Christian county' of USA it is still prevalent in many states? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Israel ========================================= In modern Israel, capital punishment is illegal in almost all circumstances. The death penalty was abolished in 1954 with the exceptions of conviction for treason during a time of war and genocide. Only one person has been civilly executed in the history of the modern State of Israel – Adolf Eichmann in 1962, after he was convicted in 1961 of participation in Nazi war crimes relating to the Holocaust. Others have been sentenced to death but won appeals to overturn the sentence. It is generally accepted that one of the reasons for Israel's rare use of the death penalty is Jewish religious law. However, there is some debate as to whether Jewish law forbids capital punishment. Biblical law explicitly mandates the death penalty for 36 offenses, from murder and rape to idolatry and desecration of the Sabbath. Still, Jewish scholars since the beginning of the common era have developed such restrictive rules to prevent execution of the innocent that the death penalty has become de facto illegal. Most modern Jewish religious leaders and scholars believe that the death penalty should remain unused. ============================================ Seems Jews know how to progress out of the 'stone ages'

So the point is that the Jewish people took upon them selves to move away from Moses Laws?

Lets have a Gay parade in Israel but you cant stone them to death because that was done in the stone ages?And Moses Laws are now over ridden because time has moved forward?

When did God laws change? And if God laws did change he better go back to the two cities he destroyed and say I am sorry..

It is not the point if the Jews progress out of the stone age.Its the point they moved away from there God..

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Most Churches teach that Jesus is God..But not according to John…

So really who is the Ant-Christ?

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Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 14 2007,23:10) Christians in the Name of Jesus stop. Peace and Love Mrs. Hi Mrs, I said this in another thread but I am going to repeat it here. I admire your passion and respect your mission. You have pleaded with fellow Christians to stop answering tow or stu because they are anti Christs. The only place in scriptures that anti Christ is used is 1 John. The word is antichristos which means instead-anointed or not endued with the Holy Spirit. This includes fully half of all of my aquaintences, and sadly even some of my family. I not only could not stop communicating with all of these antichrists, I consider it my duty as a Christian to continue to do so. Somewhere towshab said that 2/3 of the world are antichrists. He is probably correct. We can not isolate ourselves from these people. Maybe God has sent them to this forum for a reason. Who knows? You are certainly free to continue on your mission Mrs. But please do not trouble or stress yourself unduly over the fact that other people continue to respond to stu and towshab. I worry about you. Tim   Back to top

Well in one hand the Chritsians preach that some people are the Anti christ but in the other hand they contradict them selves.

They quote from John about the AntiChrist.Who is really the Anti-Christ? Those who say that Jesus is God!

John did not say that God came in the flesh but his SON!
But yet there a millions that contradict John Words..

This is how you may recognize the spirit of God: Every spirit which acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is from God, and every spirit which does not thus acknowledge Jesus is not from God” (I John 4:2, II John 7).

“Many deceivers have gone into the world who do not accept that Jesus came as a human being. Here is the deceiver and the antichrist.”

Anything that goes aganist John words are contradiction..

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What I mean is that he did not fulfill the prophecies of the final Messiah before his death and subsequent ascension. Because there is nothing in the Tanach about a second coming this keeps Jewish people from believing in him. Sometimes I wonder myself if Yeshua was not meant to be the final Messiah but a spiritual savior instead? Someone totally different than the Jews were expecting because they do not focus on the afterlife like Christians do. So they expect someone to deliver them into peace here on earth. While I study the Torah — and by extension, the Tanach — I hope I will learn more of who Yeshua really is so that I can share that with my new Jewish friends and my existing Christian brethren.

What the Rabbi dont tell when you do study the Torah..Isa:Chapter 52 and 53 is pretty well skip for the most part by the Rabbi..Ask your self why is that? According to Isa: chapter 52 and 53 the message is pretty well loud and clear about the Messiah…

But..Isaiah goes even further…Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed?

In Micah 5:3, Yahweh knew that many would not believe.

Isaiah 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.

But here the real test..Can any Rabbi or for that matter and Jewish person who dont believe the Messiah has come yet, prove that there is still a descendant from the line of King David living today to usher in the messiah…?

Many Rabbi claim that they were the Messiah but failed…

Needless to say, Isaiah 53 too contains obvious prophecies of the resurrection of the Messiah after his death through which he wrought salvation for all those who were to become his own by faith in him. The prophet contains this wonderful promise that his lonely death would not be in vain:

When he makes himself an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his band; he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied. Isaiah 53.10-11.

Although be would die for the sins of the world, he would yet see the heirs of his salvation, he would yet look in triumph on the immense benefits of his redeeming work, and the fulness of God's saving grace would yet be brought to light in his own hands. He poured out his soul to death, the prophecy continues (v.12), yet the Lord God of heaven himself left him with the assurance that he would still, in good time, obtain the fruits of his victory.

There are many other prophecies of the resurrection of the Messiah in the writings of the former prophets. David himself plainly foretold that he would rise again to life in these words..

For thou dost not give me up to Sheol, or let thy godly one see the Pit. Thou dost show me the path of life; in thy presence there is fulness of joy, in thy right hand are pleasures for evermore. Psalm 16.10-11.

David could hardly have been speaking of himself as he both died and was buried and his tomb remained untroubled through the centuries that followed (Acts 2.29) He passed away and was laid with his fathers and his body duly saw corruption (Acts 13.36). Just as his son Solomon was only a type of the Messiah, so that the Jews soon realised that the prophecies of the eternal rule of the Son of David referred not to Solomon but to David's greater son, the Messiah so the disciples of Yeshua realised that David's prediction that God's holy one would not see corruption after his death was not to be applied to the prophet himself but rather to his offspring, the coming Messiah.

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Quote (david @ Nov. 13 2007,11:23) Quote The even more obvious:  Despite the many people who have not written about Gandhi or Bush, countless people HAVE done so. Very good stuart.  And how many people who specialize in writing cookbooks have written about Gandhi? So, maybe you could come up with a list of people back then that actually have some reason to make a history of Jesus from a secular standpoint. Jesus was a political activist.  You can't tell me there is no-one on your list who was interested in the politics of the Jewish people of the day. No matter how much you portray him as unremarkable , the fact remains that the number of eyewitness accounts of Jesus is zero.  I think your argument is dull and fatuous. Here I am all keen to hear of the corroborating evidence for the magical abilities of your messiah, and all you can tell me is that he was too boring to have rated even a mention by some of the most prolific political diarists ever. Stuart

Just to add..When was there a last prophet sent to the Jews by God?..Where were the historians then?With such great events that happen through out the ages people would have known about..Egypt comes to mind here..After all the World wasnt that big.But the Miracles were “”so they say””..Wheres the proof?

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Quote (Towshab @ Oct. 28 2007,03:06)

Scholars say the Gospel of Matthew was targeted towards Jews. But if a Jewish person knows his Bible, Matthew crumbles. This thread will focus on the many mistakes made in Matthew. The very first mistake made in Matthew is the opening verse: Mat 1:1  The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew tries to show the lineage of Jesus to prove his claim as the Messiah, but there are several problems. Jesus is supposed to be born of a virgin, so Joseph had no role in Jesus' birth. The promised Messiah was to be of the seed of David and Solomon, and there was no seed if Joseph was not the father. While we are still in the genealogy presented by Matthew, we will see the next error Matthew makes. This post uses the Apostles Bible because it uses the Septuagint and makes very good name retention between 'old' and 'new testaments'. I know Christians like to say that the Christian writers used the Septuagint. Mat 1:1  The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: Not only can Jesus not be Messiah because of his virgin birth (no true seed of David), now we see that David was of a cursed bloodline. ——————– Jer 22:28  Jeconiah is dishonored as a good for nothing vessel; for he is thrown out and cast forth into a land which he knew not. Jer 22:29  O earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord! Jer 22:30  Write this man down as childless; for by no means shall his seed ever grow up to sit on the throne of David, or be as a prince yet in Judah. ——————– We can know this is the same Jeconiah because of this verse that matches with the lineage given in Matthew ——————– 1Ch 3:17  And the sons of Jeconiah were Assir, Shealtiel his son, Neh 12:1  Now these are the priests and the Levites that went up with Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua: Seraiah, Jeremiah, Ezra, ——————— The next error in Matthew's genealogy is his creative manipulation of lineage to make three generational periods of 14 each. 14 is supposed to be symbolic of kingship. Two problems with this – the last set of generations he lists are 13, not 14. The other problem is that he had to leave out some people to come up with 14 in the second section. ——————– Mat 1:8  Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. Mat 1:9  Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 1Ch 3:11  Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, 1Ch 3:12  Amaziah his son, Azariah {Uzziah} his son, Jotham his son, 1Ch 3:13  Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son, Mat 1:11  Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the captivity in Babylon. 1Ch 3:15  And the sons of Josiah were Johanan the firstborn, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum. 1Ch 3:16  And the sons of Jehoiakim were Jeconiah his son, and Zedekiah his son. ——————– Matthew has to skip 4 people in the lineage of David to come up with his second set of 14. That is all for the first post on the multitude of problems with Matthew that will keep informed Jews from believing in Jesus as the Messiah.

It can be shown that Joseph is the real Father of the Messiah..I dont know if you knew this or not..Alot of Christians dont even know about it.

But I will even state this.If Mary was truly the “Mother” Of God..That will make her a Goddess.Now that would put the trinity as false.Why? Instead of three in the Godhead there would be 4 because of Mary being a Goddess.The Godhead is a piece of fiction that was added in to prove the trinity doctrine.But what they didnt catch they made Mary a Goddess..
So in conclusion in order to make that happen they would have to make Jesus as there God and or ManGod..In this case the Bible had tobe re-written inorder to make that happen. history has proven that also as errors and mistranslation.This is why there is such a mass confusion.

Just by taking the Verses by Matthew and Luke and from the Torah it can be shown that Joseph is the true Father of the Messiah..Not the other way around as taught by Christianity.

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But it is still argued among the Scholars about the destruction of the city.Some say it happen at 70 Ad and other say the year of 55/56 AD. But the Book of Matthew some say he wrote it around the year 80 AD. What this tell me no one knows for certain.
But in again show me a Jew who really have time to write when most of them were scatterd aboard? As History recall..1000s of Jews were killed there belonging were burn.
The spoil of war has put the word of God out of its truth.

Amos 8:11-13 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord GOD, “When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. {12} “And people will stagger from sea to sea, And from the north even to the east; They will go to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, But they will not find . {13} “In that day the beautiful virgins And the young men will faint from thirst.

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Charity

I dont hate you.Just becareful on your choice of words.It could give the wrong impression.

Lets just drop this and move on..

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Quote (Unisage @ Nov. 11 2007,08:49) Charity you are a sick person to make that statement..You need medical help. I hope Tow contact someone to put u behind bars u sick minded Christian.. HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF MY SISTER IN THIS WAY!   I have reported you to the Moderator of this site.  You are not allowed to bully someone the way you have done!  And you will not be allowed to continue this behavior.  Take note!  This is against the rules of HeavenNet and you will be kicked off. Here is a bit of advice, if you have nasty thoughts like this towards your brother's and sister's in the Lord….keep them to yourself! You have just discredited yourself here mister.

Anyone who threats another person with a statment about Guns has been repoted to a outside source.What they do is there own bussiness.That statement by Charity should never been made.And I dont care who you are.That is aganist the law to make a threat aganist someone else.And this is HER/His warning that she gave..

And this is her/his statement from Charity..

Towshab…why do some men love the sound of guns

Please back off…

She or he has put a threat on his life..

But you say I am the Bad guy?

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Quote (david @ Oct. 28 2007,07:45)

Hashem: in Judaism, a substitute word used when referring to God in contexts other than prayers or scriptural readings, because the name for God is considered too holy for such use. Did those who wrote the Bible consider God's name “too holy” for use? Are we not told countless times to praise God's name? Why is it in there (the Hebrew scriptures) close to 7000 times?

So now you admit that the bible has Errors and has been tampered with?

Even if they did change the names..What still can be proven that Jesus is still not the correct name.

How so? In the Old Testament the Messiah name was foretold as Joshua but why do people call him Jesus in the New Testament?

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

But yet continue in the New Testament we find the errors of the name still given..I guess Matthew is not sure either.

Isaiah 7:14
14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matthew 1:25
25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Matthew 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

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Laurel

Agree the Sabbath is also the sign of God..

Just to add on The Mark of God Continue…

Most Christians are not even aware of these verses since they rarely or never read the Torah or the Tanakh (Old Testament)

Within the Torah, which is Genesis through Deuteronomy (Hebrew word Torah means “instruction” or “teaching”) we read the following..

Exodus 13:9
9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

Exodus 13:16
16 It shall serve as a sign on your hand and as an emblem on your forehead that by strength of hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 6:8
8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead,

Deuteronomy 11:18
18 You shall put these words of mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead.

What is the obvious fact one should immediately notice from these passages? What figuratively leaps from the pages as we discuss the issue of the mark of the Beast? Allow me to again present the passage from Revelation.

Revelation 13:16
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Almost the exact same phrase is used with respect to a mark – or sign! However, the passages from Torah show the mark to be the mark of God, whereas the passage from Revelation refers to the mark of the Satanic Beast.

Who has the Mark of the Beast? Continue later…

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Quote (Unisage @ Nov. 11 2007,06:56) There is the Mark of God and the Mark of Satan do you know the difference? I do.And If i told you It will floor you. Revelation 12:9     9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Unisage He deceived the whole world. But then you do not go on with the story. You make such a rediculous statement, it would floor us, if you would tell us?  No my friend I know who God is and Jesus is. The Holy Spirit lives in those that have given their lives to God. They will know the diffrence. I know Demons are all around us. I had to chase them out of our House before. And just ask Mandy she has more to say on that subject then I have too. So no you do not scare me. Mrs.

Really I make a Rediculous statement? You have not see this verse yet…This verse states he Causeth ALL to receive the Mark.Do you have the Mark>? Again I will ask the simple question do you know the difference between the Mark of God and the Mark of Satan?

Revelation 13:16-17

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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Quote (Unisage @ Nov. 11 2007,08:49) Quote (charity @ Nov. 11 2007,07:55) Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 11 2007,03:55) Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 10 2007,04:23) If someone says they don't sin and they live in America they are probably telling a lie.  Especially if they go to one of these churches…that have these “Potlucks” all the time…I know for a fact I've seen very large folks eating two and three plates…thats a sin too.  People do “sin”  why do you think Jesus had to come die? for nothing?  …not so…he came and died and shed his blood so that you might be forgiven of your sins.  I mean seriously what part of that does anyone not understand? So you're saying Jesus came so we could all be gluttons and sinners and just say 'Hey its all good, Jesus' blood covers my sins'! No wonder people want to believe in him. Towshab…why do some men love the sound of guns Please back off… Wow its onward Christian Soliders…If you dont follow there doctrine they will blow you away. Or even if you prove there doctrine is wrong…Charity you are a sick person to make that statement..You need medical help. I hope Tow contact someone to put u behind bars u sick minded Christian.. Unicore  That kind of a statement is really uncalled for. Who do you think you are. God? Only God can judge people have you not learned that yet. Then I wonder who the sick person is around here. Lets be civil with each other. I am so upset when I see so called Christians doing that. To me those are not Christians at all, and a I wonder who needs to be put behind bars. Shame on you. Peace and Love to you, and Bless you, you need it. Mrs.

Who am I to Judge? Well lets look to scripures on this….If you can figure it out let me know..

Every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:17-20).

Jesus said that you can judge someone by their fruit. In the same chapter, He says, Do not judge lest you be judged (Matthew 7:1).

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye (Matthew 7:1-5)

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement (John 7:24).

First Jesus says, “Judge not lest you be judged,” but then He says, “Judge with right judgement.”

James appeared to contradict himself. Now Jesus seems to contradict himself. Jesus said, “Don't do it,” then He tells you how to do it. James said, “Don't do it,” straight after he did it.

Therefore you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgement, for in that you would judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things (Romans 2:1).

Therefore do not go on passing judgement before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things that are hidden in darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God (1 Corinthians 4:5).

But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God (Romans 14:10).

For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this [the guy in question here was involved in an incestu-ous relationship with his father's wife ], as though I were present (1 Corinthians 5:3).

Over and over, Paul says, “Don't judge.” But then he passes judgment.

Jesus says, “Don't judge,” but then he says to do it and shows you how.

James says, “Don't judge,” but then he does it.
Why the contradictions?

If a Muslim said that to instead of a Christian you be up in arms…

But since are society is sick you cant even trust a Christian..Not the one who makes a statement like that..Isnt that what Jesus warn us about the Bad fruit??

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LOL I am reading the Wiki now..

Did you catch this one?

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….amaliel

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Acts 22:3
3 “I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers’ law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.

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Didnt Paul study under Rabbi Gamaliel? Or is this a different one?

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O YES SO YOU SAY….. If you don't follow their doctrine they will lay the axe to the roots of a life, and attempt to cut it off… without discretion…and faith….will a Man of war continue in his ways.

There will never be peace on this Earth..The Messiah brought a Sword…

Matthew 10:34

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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