Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,21:28)You asked if I was going to be addressing the contradictions. I suppose you mean the list above of non-contradictions.Quote 1) Matthew has guards, an earthquake, and the women meeting the angel outside of the tomb. The guards and women are scared by the angel and the earthquake. The other gospels do not have…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,20:51)Quote Only G-d knows when the true Messiah will come. Read Ezekiel 37-38 to get a real idea of the condition of the world when the Messiah comes.The prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures showed the Messiah as coming in two different roles. One was “humble, and riding upon an ass,” whereas the other was “with the c…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,20:49)Quote Only G-d knows when the true Messiah will come. Check Daniel. God told us when “Messiah the leader” would appear. This is why the Jews were in “expectation” at that time.If you look at the original text it is yet another instance of moshiach or 'anointed'. There was to be nothing particularly special about…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 29 2007,17:12)Hi Towshab:The very fact that there was a curse on Jeconiah and his seed perhaps indicates that God had an alternative means of keeping his promise to David, and this was through the virgin birth of Jesus. There are other reasons why the Messiah cannot be a man born of the sperm of man.God BlessHello 942767,This…[Read more]

Quote 40 – Be executed without having a bone broken (Exodus 12:46, Ps. 24:31(20), Jn. 19:33-36) There is no Psalm 24:31. Whatever the case John was the only gospel writer to have Jesus die on the eve of Passover to try to make him appear as the lamb of G-d. The synoptics had him die on Passover. Once again John has to make his case by saying stuff…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 29 2007,06:24)31 – Have his price given for a potters field (Zechariah 11:13, Matthew 27:7) That’s not what Zec 11:13 says——————–Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in t…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 29 2007,06:24)21 – Bear the reproaches due others (Psalms 69:10, Isaiah 53:12, Romans 15:3) Psa 69:10 When I wept, and chastened my soul with fasting, that was to my reproach.Psa 69:11 I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.——————–Can you show me where he ever wore sackcloth? The…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 29 2007,06:24)11 – Be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18-2:1, Luke 1:26-35) Twisting of ‘almah’ which means ‘young woman’. The LXX uses ‘parthenos’ which would lead to the usual rendering of ‘virgin’ in Is 7:14, but in Gen 34:2-4 the LXX calls Dinah a ‘parthenos’ ('young woman') even after she has been raped. I h…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 29 2007,06:24)According to the Hebrew scriptures, the Messiah must meet the following conditions: 1 – Be the “seed of the woman” that would bruise the serpent's heel (Genesis 3:15, Galations 4:4, 1 John 3:8) Genesis 3:15 is talking about the snake and mankind. Snakes crawl on the ground. Man can step on a snakes head but…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,02:39)different viewpoints is one reason for apparent contradictions.Here's one from the Hebrew scriptures:Sometimes the Bible writers wrote about the same event from different viewpoints, or they presented their accounts in different ways. When these differences are taken into consideration, further apparent…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,02:24)Jewish sources agree with Luke 2:38 that the people at that time were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance. The Jewish Encyclopedia observes: “They yearned for the promised deliverer of the house of David, who would free them from the yoke of the hated foreign usurper, would put an end to the impious Roman rul…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,02:21)Just adding to the fact that certain prophecies about the Messiah were not understood, even by Jesus’ disciples, and hence the trouble in believing or understanding that Jesus was gone: Quote ISAIAH 53:3“He was despised and was avoided by men, a man meant for pains and for having acquaintance with sickness. And…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,01:45)Towshab, you apparently are having trouble with the idea of what “contradictions” actually are. For example, before, you stated:here are the glaring contradictions1) Matthew has guards, an earthquake, and the women meeting the angel outside of the tomb. The guards and women are scared by the angel and the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,00:57)Quote Anyone notice a problem with this verse? Other than the fact that it is not supported in the gospel accounts? Paul says Jesus appeared to 'the twelve'. When Jesus was resurrected there was only 11 apostles! The 12th after Judas was not chosen until after Jesus ascended. So Paul has no clue, he is going by…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,18:38)Quote not used thousands of time in any modern Jewish translation.But they are used in older Jewish translations, aren't they? I could provide a list if you like.Why the change?Sure but don't include the older JPS. It was just a redo of the KJV.

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,18:35)Quote Actually the words are not used thousands of time in any modern Jewish translation. You are referring to Christian translations. 'Jehovah' likewise is never a name Jews would use.You can call it superstition if you like. We call it respect. aCTUALLY, towshab, you CALLED It “superstition.” You said It is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,18:31)Quote This is funny. Since the record books do not mention Jesus why would they mention those who oppose him?So, what you're suggesting is that someone created a complete fantasy, and no one really questioned it until a hundred years ago, or so?No people have been questioning all along. With modern scholarship…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,18:29)Quote I can see how Christians feel about their 'god the father' then if 'proskyneo' does not mean worship as you say it doesn't.I didn't say that TOWSHAB.I said:The word “proskyneo” DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN WORSHIP. In fact, “worship” is not it's primary meaning.And here is all I said below. I don't see anywhere…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,02:50)Historian Michael Grant notes: “If we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as his…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2007,02:49)The strongest proof of the truth of these writings is in the books themselves. When you read them, they do not sound like myths. They have the ring of truth.The Muslim will say the same thing about the Koran. The Mormon says the same thing about the book of Mormon. I know someone who truly believes the Urantia…[Read more]