Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 02 2007,10:11)You are right David's car was “white” However it still got David where he wanted to go! Quote Prove to me that they died outside of the Christian bible.Prove to me that their is a GOD outside the bible.Look around you. G-d is seen in His creation. You may counter by saying Jesus was involved in creation but…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:40)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 03 2007,15:32)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:26)Ummm Towshab, I believe Yeshua was speaking metaphorically…. Unbelievable.So he was metaphorically disobeying his (supposed) own father? So much for honoring father and mother. Sorry but that doesn;t cut the mustard. The non-ignorant…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:33)This might help.John 6:53-58Except ye eat the flesh . . . and drink the blood . . . no life, etc.–The harshest word He had yet uttered in their ears. They asked how it was possible to eat His flesh. He answers, with great solemnity, “It is indispensable.” Yet even here a thoughtful hearer might find something…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:26)Ummm Towshab, I believe Yeshua was speaking metaphorically…. Unbelievable.So he was metaphorically disobeying his (supposed) own father? So much for honoring father and mother. Sorry but that doesn;t cut the mustard. The non-ignorant Hebrews in his midst showed him what they thought of his 'metaphoric'…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:11)Only one, that is consistent with that definition, will do Towshab….How about just one?I'll have to admit that I'd have to look at this because the 100s (perhaps 1000s) of conflicts may fall in a line of serious conflicts rather than blatant contradictions. But if you need such than that tells me you are…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,22:01)You “have” demonstrated that you have some incling of what the word “contradiction” means.Please explain where.I'll give you some time. I'm going to go look at the other threads for a while.davidWhat other threads? People on here (besides you) are scared to engage me because they are afraid that I might actually…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 02 2007,22:05)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 03 2007,14:55)I have but it seems you do not know. in you mind contradiction means “Bob drove the car” versus “Fred swam in an ocean full of sharks”.Towshab, do you agree that this is a good definition for the term 'contradiction'?:“Assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.”If so, can…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:52)Quote Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:33)QuotePerhaps but show me in Jewish scripture where anyone was falsely cut off.True, Christ was exceptional. No argument there.That was you lamest answer yet. Try harder. I don't remember me or anyone ever asserting that the events surrounding Jesus life were ordinary.To cut…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:49)Quote King Cyrus.Isa 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;And how does cyrus line up with the prophecyLook up the Hebrew word…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:48)Quote If i am to believe the Christian bible I must do so at face value not the apologetic insertions of someone who must believe lest they burn in the lake of fire.You are mixing up dante's mythology of the devil/demons/lake of fire with what the Bible actually says.Fire is a symbol of eternal destruction, as…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 02 2007,21:46)Quote (david @ Nov. 03 2007,14:30)The fact that you refuse to answer the obvious, makes me think you actually do understand your error and don't want to discuss this any longer.Yup!He understands his error alright, but I believe that is why he is here……..to cast his net of doubt and deception. Of course…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:36)Quote Yes it is but no name is given. It is the events that matter. The temple is destroyed as is the holy city, Jerusalem. Do you not find that significant? It was the end of the second temple. The third temple will be built when the real Moshiach comes. Wouldn't we have to know the identity of this one?24…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:33)Quote Perhaps but show me in Jewish scripture where anyone was falsely cut off. True, Christ was exceptional. No argument there.That was you lamest answer yet. Try harder.

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:30)Quote I am done with this particular phase of our discussions.Fine, I tried to make it simpler for you, so you could see your obvious error and gain some common understanding.M error was not believing in you insertions. If i am to believe the Christian bible I must do so at face value not the apologetic insertions…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:24)Quote You filled in the apologetic blanks that make the story work. Yet you have no logical right to, only the need to believe. If “common sense” is not a “logical right” then you are correct. I have no logical right to fill in the blanks.He went into his house.He drove away.Yet, he didn't leave his house.Of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:15)Quote So you've just admitted that he violated one of these and was wicked. Interesting to say the least.No, what I admitted is that people who are cut off are often people who are cut off in death. (It just so happens that this is usually for bad reasons.)Jesus was tried as a criminal, guilty of three charges,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:13)Quote Which priest? This seems to be a pretty significant prophecy. Yes it is but no name is given. It is the events that matter. The temple is destroyed as is the holy city, Jerusalem. Do you not find that significant? It was the end of the second temple. The third temple will be built when the real Moshiach comes.

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:12)Quote If Brittany spears and her mom go to the mall, the headlines read: “Brittany spears goes to the mall.” Sure, maybe some of the papers might read: “Brittany and mom go to mall.” But most, would focus on what is considered more important. ]And it's not a contradiction in the least if one paper says:…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,21:05)Quote You are still working off a false assumption.correct me then. Those who wrote the Bible did not believe that it was in any way disrespectful to write God's name. Evidence of this is the thousands of times they did it.You believe it is more respectful to not write his name….just in case, I guess.What I'm…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 02 2007,20:29)Quote You have to assume much to make up for the obvious contradictions. Here's a story:1. John went into the house.2. John drove away.Look at that crazy story. It is filled with contradictions. How could John drive away if he's in the house? Well, I guess the writer could have left that part out.Obvoiosly,…[Read more]