Phoenix,Why would YHWH give all His authority to someone else? Why would YHWH want us to confess that someone else is Lord?Tim

So for everyone who denies that Jesus is YHWH, you believe that YHWH, whose name is Jealous, who never hides behind anyone in the OT, all of a sudden in the NT chooses to only speak through someone else, and sets up someone else as His image, and makes that person His wisdom and power, and seeks only to be glorified by people confessing that this…[Read more]

Nick,Jesus is God. John 20:28. Do not deny revelation.Tim

Nick,”The Spirit does not speak on His own initiative.” So you agree He is a person? I see you capitalized He. So you think He's God?How many things that aren't persons are called parakletos?Tim

Charity,You might want to check out the jealousy thread. I don't see how YHWH could allow His book to end with an appeal to someone else.Tim

It's obvious because Hebrews is quoting Psalm 97:7, where it is worshipping YHWH.

Well, David, some times it obviously does mean worship, as in Hebrews 1:6. So then it clearly means that Jesus is God.

WJ,David identifies three places in the Septuagint and NT where proskunein is used other than with Jesus and YHWH: Genesis 23:7, 1 Kings 1:22, and Matthew 18:26. So I will concede that it can mean to kneel before a king or to show respect. But it obviously also can mean worship, and as Revelation 22:9 says, worship that belongs to God alone.Tim

David,So the Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be the Messiah?Tim

Thanks David,I see that there are three instances (Abraham, Nathan, Matthew 18 Parable) of proskunein occuring toward a person other than YHWH. Thanks.I will say, it makes sense that you bow before a king (as in Nathan and Matthew 18). We would still be called to bow to a human king today if we had one. And Abraham did it as a sign of…[Read more]

Hi David,Thanks for the lesson on Romans 9:5. I don't know Greek so I can't respond. I would encourage you to keep studying it though, and listen to the reasoning of Trinitarians with knowledge of Greek.I do know that the same Greek word is used in Hebrews 1:6 and Revelation 22:9. I also know that Hebrews 1:6 is quoting Psalm 97:7, which is…[Read more]

Well, Jesus is certainly our God (John 20:28).He's also God over creation (Romans 9:5). Don't know how many other gods you can say that about.He's also the God we're called to worship (Hebrews 1:6) (proskunein, which in Rev 22:9 we're told only to do to God). I don't know how many other gods you can say that about.I'd be careful about accusing…[Read more]

Jealous means: -we shall not worship or serve other gods, and YHWH punishes the children of those who hate Him (Exodus 20:5); It also means YHWH will not forgive our transgression or our sins (Joshua 24:19). Being a bond-servant of someone who you don't think is YHWH (Colossians 4:12) would thus provoke YHWH to jealousy. Bowing the knee at…[Read more]

David,You say that the entire theme of the Bible is Jesus? And you believe that Jesus isn't YHWH? And you don't think this would make YHWH jealous?YHWH wants every knee to bow to Him -Isaiah 45:23. You don't think YHWH would be jealous by us bowing the knee to someone else?Tim

Hi Chosenone,No, they are not each 1/3 of God. They are each fully God. Yet they are not three gods, but one God. That each is God is declared in the Bible. That there is only one God is declared in the Bible.Tim

David,”You shall not worship any other god, for YHWH, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.”So YHWH's jealousy means that we can't worship any other god, or for that matter, even anyone who's not a god. So why does the Bible end with an appeal to Jesus and a pronouncement of the grace of Jesus?Tim

Hi Nick,I agree. We don't have the same being. Please answer my other questions.Tim

Nick,You're funny. But I think you know the meaning of words. I said, “Father and Son” means the two have the same nature, not “the two have the same nature” means “father and son.” Is this just rationalization? Is this how you talk to people?Please answer my other questions.Tim

Nick,What does “father and son” really mean?In creation, it means they have the same nature. Do you think it's different with God? Is Jesus created?Tim

Nick,What are you talking about. When did I say, “A son who was never a son and a Father who was never a father?” I've said from the beginning, the Son has always been the Son, and the Father has always been the Father.Tim