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Quote (theodorej @ July 03 2008,19:04)

Greetings Sultan……God is timeless,limitless and most of all PERFECT in every way…..Every one of the frailties you cited to prove God is limited only support the fact that we are limited…They are all human weaknesses and God is not human….GOD IS SPIRIT

All that I listed are not just human frailties. Satan is the father of lies and he is not human.

God is limited by His own Holiness. If we are Holy there are limits. God cannot sin. That is a limit. I am not going beyond the scriptures in what I am saying. I am simply saying what the Bible says. I am in no way contradicting other parts of the Bible to make my point. I am simply saying what I am saying. If God can lie or sin then please correct me. If he cannot is it a limit or not? If it is not I am open to be corrected.

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2008,22:54)

Hi Cato Quote (Cato @ May 08 2008,02:51) If God is the limitless, great unmanifest, all powerful creator of the universe, how does he limit himself and still be God? If God is God, and he is all powerfull, limitless, creator of the universe, how could he not be able to take on human form if he would like? Is there anything to hard for him?   Only men would put such limits on him! If this limitless God can live in the puny hearts of men by his Spirit, why couldnt he take on a body of his own? In fact the Word that was with God and is God did! And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Tim 3:16) Blessings!

The problem is God is not limitless. God is limited. For instance God cannot lie( Titus 1:2), also God does not change (Mal. 3:6). To say God is limitless is out of line with what the scriptures reveal, and open the door for manifold confusion. God is limited by His own nature.

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WJ,
You asked was Jesus born of a woman. What do the scriptures say.

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (Gal 4:4).

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 21 2006,12:30)

Quote WJ, What did Jesus say,”I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matt.11:11). Now we know Jesus is not least in the kingdom of Heaven, but you have to admit this scripture does answer your question. LOL Sultan and Adam Pastor! Since you believe that John the Baptist was greater than Jesus, then do you accept the words of John the Baptist as being true? Matt 3: 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mk 1: 6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; [7] And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. [8] I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Lk 3: 15] And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not; [16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: So if Jesus words are true and Johns words are true, then it would leave one conclusion….Was Jesus born of woman? Anyone care to respond!

I was just quoting Jesus. Do you disagree with the scripture?

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 20 2006,10:19)

Quote WJ, The answer to your so-called riddle is NO. Based on the scripture John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mothers womb. Sorry, but I like to stay with the context, and not twist the Word to conform to a precoceived idea. By the way, did you know that Jesus had to increase in wisdom,stature, and favor with God (Luke 2:52). Doesn't sound like being full to me. Sultan! The question wasnt to you my friend, but since you are ask. So by your answer are you saying that John the baptist was Greater than Jesus? By the way I dont see in the scriptures John the baptist calling God is Father! Lk 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. [41] Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. [42] And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. [43] And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. [44] But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. [45] And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. [46] And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. [47] And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. [48] And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. [49] And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Also there is an interesting comparison here… John the baptist- Lk 1:80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel. Jesus- Lk 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

WJ,

What did Jesus say,”I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matt.11:11). Now we know Jesus is not least in the kingdom of Heaven, but you have to admit this scripture does answer your question.

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 19 2006,23:14)

Quote Hi W, I await your response to the relevance of the anointing of the Son in the Jordan. If he was God why would he be anointed? What further powers or authority could anointing give God? The greater blesses the lesser so how could he be equal with the God who anointed him with His Spirit? Acts 10 “38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.” Hi Nick. Was Jesus a man also? I have a riddle for you Nick. Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. [14] And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. [15] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Based on the birth of John the Baptist. Was Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb?

WJ,

The answer to your so-called riddle is NO. Based on the scripture John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from his mothers womb. Sorry, but I like to stay with the context, and not twist the Word to conform to a precoceived idea. By the way, did you know that Jesus had to increase in wisdom,stature, and favor with God (Luke 2:52). Doesn't sound like being full to me.

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Nick,

In all of the “So called Churches” repentance is rarely mentioned, and where it is mentioned it is even more rarley practised. If men began to repent and confess their sins (Mark 1:3-5), many would have to step down from their so-called pastorates and get their own homes and families in order. Many prefer to walk in darkness because their deeds are evil, and have created a system for salvation similar to the Pharisees. Walk down the isle, slip up your hand, repeat after me the sinner's prayer, receive Jesus in your heart, etc. All of the above of course are not in the Bible, but then again with all of the theologians and doctors; who needs the Bible.

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Quote (Oxy @ Nov. 16 2006,23:18)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2006,00:49) Hi, Well the other one is the folk that say they have made Jesus their Lord and Saviour. Others boast of the powers they show as proof. Sorry folks that is not the way and the ones not properly attired at the wedding feast have no place there. That is as Jesus said Matt 7 ” 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” When I started going to church back in 1978 there was a guy there who prophesied in a loud voice. I was awestruck and thought to myself that if anyone was going to go to Heaven, he would! The Lord showed me the very Scripture you quoted, Matt 7 ” 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” So I asked Him, Lord, what do you want from us? His reply was simple. He said He wanted a relationship with us. I believe that if we believe that Jesus is the Door to the Father, that He paid the price for our sin and believe He rose from the dead, that is a good start. But more than that, we need to have a relationship with the Father that is a growing experience of faith and obedience, the kind that comes from love.

oxy,

I noticed in your description there was no mention of repentance. I'm just curious why you did not mention it.

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Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 07 2006,08:07)

Quote (Sultan @ Nov. 07 2006,12:51) Quote (the four horseman @ Nov. 04 2006,18:40) I don't agree with this at all. Being baptized in water doesn't have anything to do with salvation. But it does have everything to do with being obedient. Being baptized by water saves you no more then the baptism of the Holy Spirit baptism saves you. Lack of either will not keep you from out of heaven, but it sure makes for a bumpy ride. We are suppose to do just as Jesus said to do to John the baptist when John question having to baptize Jesus aren't we, fulfull all righteousness? Can you show me a scripture in the Bible that says baptism has nothing to do with salvation? I am curious to see if what you believe is Bible or opinion. I believe based on the Bible none of us can say what applies and what doesn't. We are only to obey God. God does not need our approval. Yet many stand in judgement of the Scriptures, and add opinion on top of the Word, and then twist the Word to agree with us. Let me give you a couple of examples. Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38). Doesn't seem like your view of the bible is accepted here. nd now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name. (Acts 22:16) Again a place where your view would not apply. There are many others, but my point is that whether YOU or I agree with God is not the issue the issue is God is in control, and our only right is to submit to Him, and obey Him. God may save someone without water baptism, and He may reject someone with water baptism. That is not the issue the issue is what does God teach us to do. He tells us to MAKE DISCIPLES, and BAPTIZE THEM (Matt. 28:19). So we should do just that . Go and make disciples and baptize them. Nowhere is God looking for our opinion about His commands (i.e. what is effective and what is not). Everything that God commands is spiritual and should not be mocked or minimized. Yet alot of people mock God by making void His commands with their traditions. And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! (Mark 7:9) I would say the water is nothing without the heart

Amen. I just don't want to say that something God has commanded (water baptism) has nothing to do with salvation when scripture doesn't say that.

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Quote (the four horseman @ Nov. 04 2006,18:40)

I don't agree with this at all. Being baptized in water doesn't have anything to do with salvation. But it does have everything to do with being obedient. Being baptized by water saves you no more then the baptism of the Holy Spirit baptism saves you. Lack of either will not keep you from out of heaven, but it sure makes for a bumpy ride. We are suppose to do just as Jesus said to do to John the baptist when John question having to baptize Jesus aren't we, fulfull all righteousness?

Can you show me a scripture in the Bible that says baptism has nothing to do with salvation? I am curious to see if what you believe is Bible or opinion. I believe based on the Bible none of us can say what applies and what doesn't. We are only to obey God. God does not need our approval. Yet many stand in judgement of the Scriptures, and add opinion on top of the Word, and then twist the Word to agree with us. Let me give you a couple of examples.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38).

Doesn't seem like your view of the bible is accepted here.

nd now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name. (Acts 22:16)

Again a place where your view would not apply. There are many others, but my point is that whether YOU or I agree with God is not the issue the issue is God is in control, and our only right is to submit to Him, and obey Him.

God may save someone without water baptism, and He may reject someone with water baptism. That is not the issue the issue is what does God teach us to do. He tells us to MAKE DISCIPLES, and BAPTIZE THEM (Matt. 28:19). So we should do just that . Go and make disciples and baptize them. Nowhere is God looking for our opinion about His commands (i.e. what is effective and what is not). Everything that God commands is spiritual and should not be mocked or minimized. Yet alot of people mock God by making void His commands with their traditions. And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! (Mark 7:9)

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Is is right or is it Biblical? Depending on the question the answer changes drastically.

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Here is the only RIGHT religion.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (James. 1:27)

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Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Oct. 25 2006,19:37)

worshippingjesus wrote: Quote Blind Leading the Blind! Great! I presume by this comment that you are an enlightened one. That being the case, can you help me with the verse that I asked Is 1:18 about at the end of my post? 1 Corinthians 8:5-6: “For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.” I am not interested in what it does not mean. I am very interested in what positive doctrinal statement you think Paul is making here. Thanks! Adam Pastor, You're welcome! I only (partly) restated what was already an excellent post by you.

Good point. Satan has actually tricked many into turning Jesus into an idol. God sent His Son into the world so that we could be reconciled back to the Father, yet many stop at the Son. This was not Yahweh's purpose. Even Jesus said He was the way,truth, and the life, and that noone came TO GOD, but THROUGH HIM.
I was once also deceived into believeing the doctrines of man, and a hardcore advocate of the Trinity. Until one day I realized how much of the Bible I had to EXPLAIN because it contradicted what I believed. It is only by God's grace and mercy that we escape the snare of the enemy.

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Quote (the four horseman @ Oct. 24 2006,19:13)

I agree. I think Jesus was created ruko.

the four horseman,

Welcome. Besides what you think. Where does the Bible say that Jesus was created? Please give me the reference so that I can look it up. Thanks.

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The greatest delusion is not once saved always saved, but rather being saved in the first place. Those who practice lawlessness demonstrate that no true conversion has taken place, and even some of those who may have signs following (Matt. 7:21-23). Any doctrine of man is a delusion and wicked, but I believe that Satan has blinded the minds of many, and only a small remnant (compared to all who have lived) will even be saved.(Matt 7:13-14)

Go to any so-called church and they wil all have a salvation plan based only on part of the Bible. They will have confession with no faith or faith with no repentance or baptism with no repentance or baptism with no faith or no faith,no repentance but baptism………. The list goes on.

Another delusion of Satan is the so-called church, which rejects God's Word to hold to their traditions (Mark 7:8). Show me some one hired to preach the Word. It's not in the Bible. Show me tax exemption for God's church in the Word. It's not their, even Jesus paid taxes. How about Popes. Not there. Probably a topic for another thread, but definately fitting in a thread about strong delusions.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2006,18:01)

Hi H, We have only asked for one scripture saying there is a baptism of blood and you have not found one so it seems unwise to proceed to build a grand scheme on this basis without a solid foundation. Then as for altering the meaning of baptism in scripture, when it suits you, to support this baptism.. that is scriptural abuse.

Amen.

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I believe the real issue here is not whether it's faith and works, but which comes first. The Bible teaches that it requires faith to be saved, but true faith will produce the works of God (i.e. Repentance,baptism). If I truely receive the Word of God, I will by the grace of God be granted repentance. Then there will be the transfer of my faith from sin to The crucified Lord. After that comes baptism. By the way Salvation is of the Lord. Any works of God that we demonstrate is a manifestation of the Grace of God, and not of ourselves.

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Quote (david @ Oct. 06 2006,02:26)

Sultan, Hi. YOu say: Quote Doesn't Jesus tell the apostles that they will have thrones to judge from? Nowhere in scripture are they told that they will be part of the 144,000. You are right that the number of those who would judge wasn't revealed except in Revelation, a word I think means “revealed.” So ya, we have those in the gospels who are told they will rule as kings and judge. And in Revelation, we similarly have ones who sit on thrones to judge and rule as kings. (rev 20:4) Are their two groups who do this same task? I realize the number of them is only revealed in the book of revelations. david

I believe the number of them is revealed both in Revelations and Mathew 19:28

Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.. Just an observation.

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Quote (david @ Oct. 05 2006,20:40)

Quote But scripture uses the word “virgin” in a different sense. It is to do with faithfullness in the same way as God regards idolatry as adultery. Yes, Paul, Peter, “the apostles,” weren't literal virgins. Most were married.

Doesn't Jesus tell the apostles that they will have thrones to judge from? Nowhere in scripture are they told that they will be part of the 144,000.

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Quote (Artizan007 @ Oct. 04 2006,18:30)

Hey Cubes, How do you explain the death of Jesus when he was born without sin?

2 Cor. 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Here is your answer.

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