Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 10 2006,20:37)Please take the time to read these scriptures. The same people who taught the trinity taught that the commandments were done away with. Are we to believe what we were taught and not what the word says? DO YOU WANT TO BE THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (MAT. 5:19)?There are two kinds of Law one writen by God…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 10 2006,20:07)Please take the time to read these scriptures. The same people who taught the trinity taught that the commandments were done away with. Are we to believe what we were taught and not what the word says? DO YOU WANT TO BE THE LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (MAT. 5:19)?There are two kinds of Law one writen by God…[Read more]

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,…[Read more]

Quote (Sammo @ Mar. 07 2006,16:41)It's talking about his mind (v5) – that fact frames the whole passage. I read this as Jesus emptying himself of pride and self-will to become a servant.Sammo, I believe you are reading things into the text that are not there. Pride and self-will are not even mentioned. We know from scripture that Jesus had glory…[Read more]

Quote (Sultan @ Mar. 09 2006,01:58)Quote (OneoftheLordsGenerals @ Mar. 08 2006,20:32)The Bible states that The Holy Spirit is a he. Giving it a title of a person, not an inanimate object to be called it. Even the carefully worded NW says states so. Even though it says it, it it, and this one, this one, this one. It slipped and called The Spirit a…[Read more]

Whatistrue, Your statement is not totally true, The scriptures say that Eve was deceived:And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression (1 Tim 2:14)Her desire was based on deception. The deception created a desire that was false, but now that the transgression is already passed the consequences follow. My point is…[Read more]

Quote (OneoftheLordsGenerals @ Mar. 08 2006,20:32)The Bible states that The Holy Spirit is a he. Giving it a title of a person, not an inanimate object to be called it. Even the carefully worded NW says states so. Even though it says it, it it, and this one, this one, this one. It slipped and called The Spirit a he in John 16:14. Calls The Holy…[Read more]

This is an awesome topic and worthy of discussion. What did Jesus empty Himself of?

Criticize- to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly. (Merraim Webster Dictionary). Common sense says that two points which contradict each other both cannot be true.For Instance:The Quran says:2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute3. He begetteth not, nor is begoten.The Bible says:God gave His only begotten Son (John 3:16)I have to be…[Read more]

Quote That settles the issue for me. If Messiah Yahshua does not believe in “inherited sin”, then I don't think that I will either. You may choose to try and learn about sin from Paul instead, but I would remind you again of Peter's warning about Paul's “difficult” writings.All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 06 2006,17:47)David and Sultan,I think that we are beginning to go in circles here, and I am not sure how productive this discussion is at this point. But, I will try to clarify my position again in the hopes that we can reach a reasonable conclusion. Cubes and I came to the conclusion that we would just have to…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ Mar. 04 2006,16:11)Quote (liljon @ Mar. 04 2006,20:43)the spirit himself speaksActs 11:28 And rising up, one of them named Agabus, foretold by the Spirit…Acts 13:2 Now as they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work which I have called them.”I do not doubt…[Read more]

Quote (Sultan @ Mar. 02 2006,22:46)Many people claim that the Holy Spirit is a person because attributes are given to it that can only be used to denote personality. I would like to challenge that notion and prove from scripture that this kind of thinking is not infallible, and that perhaps too much is being read into the text based on…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 04 2006,11:33)David,Either I have not been clear about my position, or you are misunderstanding, (or misrepresenting), my argument. Let me be clear:I do not believe that anyone is born with sin. We are each responsible for our own sins. We do not inherit guilt from our fathers.Having said that, let's look at your last…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ Mar. 04 2006,11:52)Hi Woutlaw,If the Oneness faith holds that God was the Father of the OT, The Son of the NT, and the Holy Spirit of this present time then I definitely do not believe that.I believe that YHWH is exclusively the Most High God. Alone. His being is not tied into any other personality however all other beings…[Read more]

Quote (TJStarfire @ Mar. 03 2006,12:26)Quote It's obvious you didn't read my post. How am I making God in my image? Please read the entire post before replying. I did read your post, I was only questioning the use of the term “person”.That term is most often used to denote individual human beings and I greatly doubt that the race of beings known…[Read more]

Quote (liljon @ Mar. 03 2006,10:53)http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-holy-spirit.htmThe holy spirit is a personYou did not address my thread in entirety. The question is are the rocks, mountains and trees persons, and what interpretive and excegetical processes are used to determine what is a person and what is not. Your answer was simply the…[Read more]

Quote (TJStarfire @ Mar. 02 2006,23:47)Hi SultanA person?Don't try make God in your image, He made us in His true but He made us of flesh.Romans 1When they knew God, they glorified him Not As God, neither were thankful; but became Vain in their Imaginations,and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.…[Read more]

Quote (TJStarfire @ Mar. 03 2006,01:43)The part of His Spirit that God gave to Adam and Evewhen He breathed the breath of life into them was corrupted by taking on the knowledge of good and Evil.Since we are their descendants and since when humans conceivetheir spirits divide and/or combine to spark the life of another spirit anchored to…[Read more]

Quote Here is an example of what I am trying to say. A child is said to have the spirit of his father as he acts in many ways like his father. He does not have his father inside of him, he presents himself in many ways (actions etc) like his father. Is this then what we are meaning when we say we have the spirit or YHWH or the spirit of…[Read more]