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Charles,
Dude, Everything you say isn't true. Satan never entered Jesus soul, you don't have any scriptures to prove that.

Bring up a scripture that actually says “SATAN” entered Jesus soul.

Other than that, your just making stuff up. And your mad because no one believes you.
Cry me a river.

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 04 2012,02:47) mike, if you know greek , what is the greek word for “Bible”? jammin, Can you read the English word “Bible” in any translation?  If not, then I have just used your own silly game against you – and won. Now, answer the question I asked you: Since the English word “Bible” is not actually IN the Bible, am I a false teacher if I say, “The Bible is the written word of God”?

lol The word bible is not used in the scriptures lol.

I always use that point.

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 03 2012,21:00)

Terricca………Can't you see i have never said we do not have Freedom to EXCERCISE our WILL, i have never denyed that , I am not talking about our Liberty to use our Will I am talking about the WILLS themselves .  Why can't you people understand that? peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

Lol peace bro,
Hey I use to argue with you all the time and now I'm agreeing wurh you.
I dont have my laptop which is why I haven't been online.
But I would have to.say that u are right in what u say to t8.
(using my cell btw)

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,00:08)

Ed j……..We atre set Free from Sin which captivates our desires and “causes” us to will for that which is wrong. Aain that it self should show you our Wills are Biased and are not free of Influences as you suppose they are. Any influence on a Will causes it not to be “FREE or it simply would not be influenced at all if it were truly Free.  Jesus set us free from what captivates us and our wills and that is Sin. Haven you read where Jesus said a man is held captive by what over powers him?. If the man is held captive so is his will. Again the word “FREEWILL” is and OXYMORON anyway you cut it. IMO peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………………………………..gene

Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Obvisouly there isn't a freewill if we are being set free from boundage.
Sin obviously is something that even if we wanted to be free from, can't unless its by Jesus.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Just to add to what Gene was saying.

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]SATAN WAS ONLY AWARE THAT JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH , WHEN JESUS WAS TAKEN BY SATAN DOWN TO HELL UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS A CRIMINAL AND WAS STUNNED TO SE JESUS IN FLESH TESTED BY THE HOTTEST FIRE.[/

This statement is false.

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SO AS SOON AS JESUS HUMBLY,AND MEEKLY, WAS TAKEN BY THE POWER OF DEATH ,SATAN, INTO HIS ABODE, HELL, LIKE HE DID TO ALL JESUS’ BRETHREN SINCE ADAM, TO JUSTIFY JESUS AS THE MESSIAH, HE WAS STUNNED TO SEE JESUS CHRIST HIS OWN CREATOR IN FULL POWER OF GOD THROUH THE HOLY SPIRIT INTO THE HOTTEST FIRE OF HELL, That was the ambtion of Satan that he would achieve manhood not withstanding the fact that his kingdom is hell in fire, and be like the MOST HIGH!!! HE WOULD EVENTUALLY ACHIEVE IT BUT FOR NO USE!!! Now let's read scriptures

Also false statements, there is not a biblical reference for this.  

Stop making stuff up

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Jammin,

Actually your grosley mistaken.
Love is not above God, Love is just an attribute of God which is part of Him, in all He does.  
God is sovereign.

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JESUS GOD MAN, REFUSED THE CUP, BUT HIS FATHER,WHO IS LOVE SAID: DIE SO DEATH WOULD BE HOLY AND THROUGH IT I THE FATHER, YOU THE SON, THROUGH MY HOLY SPIRIT  GLORIFY GOD COULD HAVE DESTROYED LUCIFER INSTANATLY!!! BUT LOVE SAID NO!!! LOVE SAID!!! CONVERT LUCIFER!!! GET LUCIFER BACK TO YOU IT IS MORE DIFFICULT!!! KILLING LUCIFER AND CREATE ANOTHER ANGEL IS THE SIMPLEST WAY OUT AND YOU SOLVE NOTHING THE OTHER ANGEL WOULD DO THE SAME CONVERTING LUCIFER IT TAKES TRILLIONS OF YEARS!!! IT TAKES PATIENCE, MEEKNESS, HUMILITY, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT MERCY!!!

LOL    wow, I never heard of something so riduculous. I'll break it down for you.

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JESUS GOD MAN, REFUSED THE CUP, BUT HIS FATHER,WHO IS LOVE SAID: DIE SO DEATH WOULD BE HOLY AND THROUGH IT I THE FATHER, YOU THE SON, THROUGH MY HOLY SPIRIT  GLORIFY

No scripture to prove this.  You must made that up.

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GOD COULD HAVE DESTROYED LUCIFER INSTANATLY!!! BUT LOVE SAID NO!!!

LOL wHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE FOR THIS? LOL
oh wow, that is hiliarious.

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GET LUCIFER BACK TO YOU IT IS MORE DIFFICULT!!! KILLING LUCIFER AND CREATE ANOTHER ANGEL IS THE SIMPLEST WAY OUT AND YOU SOLVE NOTHING THE OTHER ANGEL WOULD DO THE SAME

lol, where is the scripture for this?
Not found in the bible.

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CONVERTING LUCIFER IT TAKES TRILLIONS OF YEARS!!! IT TAKES PATIENCE, MEEKNESS, HUMILITY, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT MERCY!!!

More stupidity. This is not in the scripture.

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OTHERWISE LUCIFER NEVER GETS BACK!!! I ASKED YOU IF GOD HAS A FREE WILL, AND I WANTED FROM YOU ONLY YES!!! NOW I ASK YOU:

God can do whatever He see fits, thats why he is the sovereign God.  
Lucifer doesn't have free will.

Deuce

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Quote (Colter @ Oct. 27 2012,20:03)

SimplyForgiven, Quote The bible says that NOBODY seeks God The Bible was created using books written by people who were seeking God, so your point is silly. Quote Actually I haven't made any of those claims, so I don't understand how you continue to make more implications about what I believe when you haven't cared to ask.  I guess its a waste of your time eh? You told me what you believe many post ago, that God made Satan, that Satan did not fall, that Satan has always been evil. Quote What authorities of religion do you speak of? The creators of scripture, the redactors and editors of scripture, the organizers of book list that made the different bibles of the different churches. They exploit peoples ignorance and insecurity by telling them not to “think” but to blindly follow outrageous inconsistencies. Quote You say you believe Jesus and yet you might as well call him a Liar. Jesus didn't call the scripture perfect or the word of God, he just asked people if they had read them meaning that they would have been able to extract the spiritual content while realizing that they were exaggerations and racial centric. Not everything written in The New York Times is accurate but one can get a general idea of the news. Colter

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The Bible was created using books written by people who were seeking God, so your point is silly.

Yet you take their wordds in attempt to present the fallacy that the devil fell from heaven in rebellion towards God?

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The rebuttals are generally the same as yours, the contention that mans carnal reasoning (even when combined with a spirit born mind) fails man, only the cult can think for man, only ecclesiastical authority can hope to help stupid man with the ways of God. The bogus story of “original sin” bringing death to earth and relegating man to hopeless stupidity has stunted mans spiritual growth and left him hopelessly stranded in the past.

^^^ This is what you implied.

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The creators of scripture, the redactors and editors of scripture, the organizers of book list that made the different bibles of the different churches. They exploit peoples ignorance and insecurity by telling them not to “think” but to blindly follow outrageous inconsistencies.

Right right the people that you quote to prove your false assertion about the devils fall. How intelligent of you.

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Jesus didn't call the scripture perfect or the word of God, he just asked people if they had read them meaning that they would have been able to extract the spiritual content while realizing that they were exaggerations and racial centric. Not everything written in The New York Times is accurate but one can get a general idea of the news.

God never promised to keep the english language or any language consistant. He said he would keep his word, which is the truth that doesn't change.

Honestly Im done with you, you quote scriptures as proof for your false claims, though you discredit them. So in the end, your contradicting yourself and cherry pick.

You make no sense.

Dennison

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 27 2012,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,08:26) D this can only be done if we have free will ,if not you wasting your time , Im serious, I really don't know what you are saying. I have no idea, what free willl, nor of “wasting of my time” has to do with what I said before. Your not making sense. D You do understand what I say ,but you do not understand how and to what it is connected so that you can understand the meaning of it right

I honestly don't understand your grammer, or your point of what your attempting to say.

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D this can only be done if we have free will ,if not you wasting your time ,

Im serious, I really don't know what you are saying.

I have no idea, what free willl, nor of “wasting of my time” has to do with what I said before.

Your not making sense.

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Quote (t8 @ Oct. 27 2012,06:15)

I have chosen freely to say that I have free will. Gene has chosen freely to believe that there is no free will. Free will allows for this outcome. Happy free willing everyone. Maybe we should have a day in the year when we celebrate free will. Free will day. How about it Gene. What is your will on this?

Sure T8 if you live tommorow, Go ahead, and celebrate every year after that until you can't though the day you can't, but want to, will contradict the whole point to your festival

I wouldn't waste my time if I were you… just saying!

Dennison

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Colter,

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And I will be honest with you, I lack the enthusiasm to waste time digging up quotes from the book collection which comprises the the Bible because I've been there and done that with other people who believe God wrote the Bible and use the >same book< to defend a doctrine very different from your particular doctrine.

I know of very few who would agree with things I say.  
The bible is a dangerous book that has brought out many different doctrines but like I said before God isn't confined to a leather bound book.   The only way to establish truth, is to know God, or know what He isn't.  Even a fool can understand more than the wisest, because human beings over complicate things, when in reality things are quite simple.

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The rebuttals are generally the same as yours, the contention that mans carnal reasoning (even when combined with a spirit born mind) fails man, only the cult can think for man, only ecclesiastical authority can hope to help stupid man with the ways of God. The bogus story of “original sin” bringing death to earth and relegating man to hopeless stupidity has stunted mans spiritual growth and left him hopelessly stranded in the past.

Actually I haven't made any of those claims, so I don't understand how you continue to make more implications about what I believe when you haven't cared to ask.  I guess its a waste of your time eh?  

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Is it any wonder that the so called “religious authorities” rebelled against the Prophets repeatedly, even killing them. My platitudes annoy you because your authoritarian indoctrination, by the so called authorities of religion, has lead you to believe things because of the supposed source NOT because your heart perceives truth in the words.  The highest religious authorities of the OT scriptures rejected Jesus, they still reject Jesus because he was very different than their scripture based expectations.

What authorities of religion do you speak of?  I don't know of who you speak of as a person responsible to leading me to any other alterniate source.  You see you obvisously don't know what your talking about sir.  Actually for some odd reason I believe the things I do through experience, and from the circumstances that have happen to me.   Btw my heart doesn't perceive truth, I wouldn't trust my or your own heart.  We don't know it.  
In the end there is no arguement with truth, it is what it is.
no matter what whether you believe or not, the absolute truth doesn't change.  You can believe there isn't a Sun all you want, but in the end it's still going to be there.  You can close your eyes, lock youself into you room, dig a hole and put your head in there. Regardless, its the truth.  

There was a time where the bible didn't exist, there was  time where there was no access to scripture, so therefore one can conclude that when had to come to witness the truth, in order to perceive it.  Its the same today.
You annoy me, because of “your authoritarian indoctrination, by the so called authorities of religion, has lead you to believe things because of the supposed source NOT because your (God has caused you to) perceive truth in the words.”

As I said before, its YOU who choose to only cherry pick the bible.  its YOU who obviosuly have been indoctrinated by an “Authority” who has caused you to believe these fallacies, because you never received the truth.  

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your authoritarian indoctrination, by the so called authorities of religion, has lead you to believe things because of the supposed source NOT because your heart perceives truth in the words.

You know whats funny and annoying, is that at first you reject the story of  Noah, Adam and Eve,  Job and etc.  Yet you take Ezekiel 28 as a literal reference to the “fall of satan and his rebellion”?  Wow. “Well Dennison all these stories are fake, but this one right here that talks about thisss mystical Angel who got angry, try to stab God in the back, and now has a war against God is real.”  

If that isn't stupid, than I don't know what is.
Seriously you talk about sense, and how man can use reasoning to come to understand God yet you have none of it.   Talk about a living contradiction.
You say you believe Jesus and yet you might as well call him a Liar.  The bible says that NOBODY seeks God, yet you say we have halted our spiritual growth because indepndantly using our reasoning skills we can understand the Almighty?

Your better suited to be a athiest, and might as well be.

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Quote (carmel @ Oct. 27 2012,01:09)

Quote Charles I do need to prove to you that you wrong, Simplyforgiven, HOW??? UNLESS THROUGH SCRIPTURES!!! TO JUST NEGATE IS CHILDISH!!! ALL humans, were destined to hell before Jesus came. Ecclesiastes:9:3This is a very great evil among all things that are done under the sun, that THE SAME THINGS HAPPEN TO ALL MEN: whereby also the hearts of the children of men are filled with evil, and with contempt while they live, and afterwards THEY SHALL BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL. NOTICE: BROUGHT DOWN TO HELL!!! SO SINCE THE WORD BROUGHT WAS USED  IT IS OBVIOUS THAT SOMEBODY FROM HELL BROUGHT THEM. SO SATAN BROUGHT THEM TO HELL!!! GOD BROUGHT THEM TO HEAVEN AFTER JESUS DIED FOR THEM. ALL HUMANS BEFORE JESUS CAME WERE THE PROPERTY OF SATAN. SINCE THEY WERE SPIRITUALLY DEAD WITH THE INSERTION OF SATAN'S SPIRIT WITHIN THEIR SOULS THROUGH ADAM'S SIN. SO IN ORDER FOR JESUS TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, HE WAS TAKEN ALSO TO HELL BY SATAN. JESUS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN HAD TO BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH FIRE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE WAS IMMACULATE OR NOT. THAT WAS THE PROCEDURE TO DETERMINE IF HE WAS THE MESSIAH OR NOT. 2 Samuel 22:31 God, his way is immaculate, the word of the Lord is tried by fire: he is the shield of all that trust in him Psalm 17:3  Thou hast proved my heart, and visited it by night, THOU HAST TRIED ME BY FIRE : and iniquity hath not been found in me. MARK:9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire: and every victim shall be salted with salt. Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Charles,

To negate a claim that you brought up is actually proper procedure within debate.
If you make a claim, than its required of YOU to prove it, in other words the burden is on YOU.
Now if you bring up evidence why You think so, than its required of me to prove otherwise, which is called a rebuttal.
Look son, you have alot to learn, but you don't care for that.
I already told you that it is GOD who puts the soul in hell.
Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
It is God who puts anybody in hell, it is not Satan.
No where in ECC does it say that the devil does it, so it is NOT OBVIOUS, its OBVIOUS that GOD does it.
The scriptures say that God is a “consuming fire” in hebrews.
So what of it?
You obviosuly are confused.
Satan doesn't bring anybody to a physical place called hell.
Have you read this?
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
How can someone living be a child of hell?
I'll give you the answer:
Proverbs 15:11
Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?

Dennison

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,00:59)

D you can always leave this site and pick one that does not allowed people like me but only people like you , then you would find yourself home

Im sorry I still don't know what your say.

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,10:55) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 26 2012,09:31) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,14:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 25 2012,21:05) Hi Gene, This has got to be the funniest topic going; you are using your “Free Will” to tell us that we don't have our “Free Will”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, Well as an American Im using my right in the consitution that says I have the right of free speech.  Trust me its not given in all nations, most of the time its censored. But because of that right, I can speak today.  If I was in China, and decided to chime in, I probably be killed for believeing in Jesus.   Could Pharaoh choose?  Was he not raised to defy God? how about Judas?  How about Jona, who didn't even want to obey God, yet forced to?  How about everything Job had sufferd through?  How about Moses, who told God that He choose wrong? Come on Ed J, there is no need for your silly comments.  We are trying to reach a understanding, maybe you shouldn't underestimate Gene. Hell, look at the past posts in this VERY SAME thread, I use refute everything Gene said.  Now I agree with him, not because he convinced me, but because I one day realized through a series of circumstances what he was talking about, and what others have said as well. On this topic, Gene is actually correct. Hi Dennison, Were any of those “circumstances” your FREE WILL choice to read propaganda material on “The Path of Truth” website? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I wouldn't know because free will doesn't exist Ed. D so you have been forced to answer me in the way you did ,and so it is not your fault ,it as to be blame on some other ??? you must be living a blameless live then ? guilty of nothing you do

English please. I already warned you

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Quote (t8 @ Oct. 26 2012,11:25)

Although our resident Binitarian just became a Trinitarian so might have refuted her Trinity bias recently too.

What??? who became Trinitarian?

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,14:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 25 2012,21:05) Hi Gene, This has got to be the funniest topic going; you are using your “Free Will” to tell us that we don't have our “Free Will”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, Well as an American Im using my right in the consitution that says I have the right of free speech.  Trust me its not given in all nations, most of the time its censored. But because of that right, I can speak today.  If I was in China, and decided to chime in, I probably be killed for believeing in Jesus.   Could Pharaoh choose?  Was he not raised to defy God? how about Judas?  How about Jona, who didn't even want to obey God, yet forced to?  How about everything Job had sufferd through?  How about Moses, who told God that He choose wrong? Come on Ed J, there is no need for your silly comments.  We are trying to reach a understanding, maybe you shouldn't underestimate Gene. Hell, look at the past posts in this VERY SAME thread, I use refute everything Gene said.  Now I agree with him, not because he convinced me, but because I one day realized through a series of circumstances what he was talking about, and what others have said as well. On this topic, Gene is actually correct. Hi Dennison, Were any of those “circumstances” your FREE WILL choice to read propaganda material on “The Path of Truth” website? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I wouldn't know because free will doesn't exist Ed.

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,09:34) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2012,03:46) charles Quote JESUS LIVED FOR EIGHTEEN YEARS AS AN ORDINARY MAN, AND HE DIDN'T DO THE FATHER'S WILL,AS GOD IN FLESH BUT HE DID HIS OWN WILL, AS MAN!!! LK 2:40 The Child continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him. LK 2:52 And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men IT IS OBVIOUS YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GROW IN GODS WISDOM AND GRACE ,VERY SAD For once I agree with you Pierre wowwww, he is really full of it. Why do ya bother trying to correct him, He isn't here to learn, he is here to blabber. D Only God will tell me to stop

Proverbs 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

So be it, be like him Pierre. It matters not to me.

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 26 2012,09:48) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,12:08) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 25 2012,11:29) Let me be quick about this everyone. You guys are confusing the ability to choose, and what Free-will really means.  Actually Gene is right, not every has that liberty to be able to do what they wish to do.   In the same note, ya also believe that our choices are independant from God's influence, which  that notion is wrong. Understand that at times we have the liberty to choose, and not everyone has the right to make certains choices in the world.  Consquences are meant to discourage certain choices that people will make in life. Free-will suggests, that your choices are independant from God, and “free”.   There isn't a will that is free. You seem not to read the quotes ,so what you are saying is worthless One way speech enjoy Pierre, Half of what you say is is grammatically incorrect with the your broken english.   In a sense, What you have to say is always worthless. D Would you think that Christ would badder with you and your Brocken understanding of his words What you seem to understand  his wordless to others any way,

Pierre,

Speak english please or spanish.

I don't understand what your saying, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out what your saying just because you don't want to take the time to learn english.

Adios amigo

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 25 2012,21:05)

Hi Gene, This has got to be the funniest topic going; you are using your “Free Will” to tell us that we don't have our “Free Will”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Well as an American Im using my right in the consitution that says I have the right of free speech. Trust me its not given in all nations, most of the time its censored.
But because of that right, I can speak today. If I was in China, and decided to chime in, I probably be killed for believeing in Jesus.
Could Pharaoh choose? Was he not raised to defy God? how about Judas? How about Jona, who didn't even want to obey God, yet forced to? How about everything Job had sufferd through? How about Moses, who told God that He choose wrong?

Come on Ed J, there is no need for your silly comments. We are trying to reach a understanding, maybe you shouldn't underestimate Gene.
Hell, look at the past posts in this VERY SAME thread, I use refute everything Gene said. Now I agree with him, not because he convinced me, but because I one day realized through a series of circumstances what he was talking about, and what others have said as well.

On this topic, Gene is actually correct.

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 25 2012,11:29) Let me be quick about this everyone. You guys are confusing the ability to choose, and what Free-will really means.  Actually Gene is right, not every has that liberty to be able to do what they wish to do.   In the same note, ya also believe that our choices are independant from God's influence, which  that notion is wrong. Understand that at times we have the liberty to choose, and not everyone has the right to make certains choices in the world.  Consquences are meant to discourage certain choices that people will make in life. Free-will suggests, that your choices are independant from God, and “free”.   There isn't a will that is free. You seem not to read the quotes ,so what you are saying is worthless One way speech enjoy

Pierre,

Half of what you say is is grammatically incorrect with the your broken english.

In a sense, What you have to say is always worthless.

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