Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2010,08:50)Hi Dennison,SF:Quote we finally agree about 21.   Have I ever said it wasn't God who is the Alpha and Omega in 21?  I say it is God every time.SF:Quote No, I think thats the closet concept we have of God.In other words the Knowable God Please clarify.  I can't see how that answers my question.  I hold tha…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 04 2010,21:47)SF………..Try Isaiah 44:6……….> Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the FIRST and I am the LAST and Beside ME there is (NO) GOD. Now here GOD said (HE) is the First and the Last right? Lets look at Rev 1:5 Now………> And From Jesus Christ who is the…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 06 2010,01:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 04 2010,17:27)Chosenone,I again am ready to hear your side, but you have presented me with much,Present the logic, and also answer this questionQuote My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent?  Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,16:08)SF,Like Shimmer has accepted and come to learn, and Mike was firstborn offered but then refused…, I extend my offer for you to PM JustAskin for anything you want to know. Choose your own level of agreement and acceptance of such, but none the less it may reduce your 'little errors' so you don't need to…[Read more]

im adding this to debate errors

I again got busy, and even tough it may seem im online, I am but through my awesome phone, so I wil respond later tonight.sry for the delay

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 03 2010,04:27)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 03 2010,08:09)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 29 2010,15:35)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 29 2010,17:46)Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 27 2010,05:32)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 27 2010,10:29)Even Moses Sister and brother were about to betry Moses. Who is sinless? They had to repent again…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 03 2010,10:34)I enjoy the sin of wearing two different textiles at once and doing a bit of work on the sabbath over consideration for anyone's Imaginary Friend.  If you think that says anything about my worth in any way then perhaps you should replace the word “righteous” with “self-righteous”.StuartStu, When you say such…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2010,10:55)Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,15:44)bod, titken stu can't answer because athiest don't have answers.Water is wet. Science.Why? Umm…cos it is?What is intellect? Dunno but i'm fullovit.So what is it you fullov again?Duh, dats not a scientific question.So let me get you here. You saying you, and science can only…[Read more]

We are saved through the Gospel, which is not by our work. People believe they are saved becuase someone PREACHED.no, no, no, people are saved becasue they heard the GOSPEL, the GOSPEL that was not just a story, but actually happend, where at a point of timethe GOSPEL was living among us and died for our Sin, and than by that means of death and…[Read more]

Terrarica,But by following “THEIR” logic, than it would not be pharasis putting on a load on anyone,According to them the “LOAD” doesnt exist anymore, the Load was taken away by Christ.So thats what im trying to get them to prove, or at least hear more of what they believe

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 04 2010,09:04)Terra,You are a wise man, brother.SF, the 'everlasting torment' is a little out of context.The correct reading is 'Their torment will be forever'.Note the subtle difference, if you will.Being 'cut off' from God is 'Torment' to a Spirit. So, being cut off eternally from God is 'Eternal Torment'.Remember that,…[Read more]

Chosenone,I again am ready to hear your side, but you have presented me with much,Present the logic, and also answer this questionQuote My last question basically is, that if everyone is saved why do we have to repent? Why do we have to preach the gospel and spread the good news?

thank you david for the scriptures I needed that, but any explanation that you would like to share?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 03 2010,19:48)SF…………I was speaking to the fact about Jesus being the (First) and he (Last) what it meant, That he was the first from mankind to make it into the kingdom of GOD and the Last will be Just like him. And i have already proved Jesus created nothing because GOD said He did and He did it (ALONE and BY…[Read more]

fyi off topic gene

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 01 2010,18:03)To All………….Jesus is he First man raised to eternal life and the Last raised to eternal life will be Just like him so in this sense he is the first and the last, Jesus (NEVER EVER) created any thing, only GOD the Father is the Creator (ALONE and BY HIMSELF)>. He gives (HIS) Glory to (NO) Man , Jesus…[Read more]

Just wanted to post a few scriptures in a unbiased manner, for everyone can consider it and review it. Please add more if nessaryExamples of Jesus being Worshiped within the GospelsMatthew 28:9And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.Mark 5:6But…[Read more]

mikeI know you just posted up YOUR VERSION of the greek,but other greek text do not include such things. Thats my point. Its inconclusive1:8 can be proven by the context, and the person who is the son of man talking between the candle sticks, which is Christ also.  we finally agree about 21.22 is not inconclusive, for it was never discussed or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2010,05:44)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 02 2010,16:03)Actually i stil have a long way to go mike,I have that excuse for my age and youth. Yes its related to the topic, becuase you have this supreme power of ending discussions by your mere words of saying “That's the end of it”Hi Dennison,I meant to say the other day…[Read more]