Quote How about Eusebius?  He was said to be the “greatest Greek teacher” and “the most learned theologian of his day”.  This is a man who grew up speaking the same Greek language that the NT was written in.  The phrase in Col 1:15 is “prototokos pasa ktisis”, and Eusebius understood it to mean that Jesus was the “firstborn of every creature BE…[Read more]

Ok Done, let me know if its betterQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,08:39)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2010,09:36)WJi can see you support the unsupported idea,tell me why would Christ be anything else than the image of is father.??Hi Pierre,Exactly. And what difference would the order that the two phrases appeared in make?If it said Jesus was “King…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,09:48)Post it again in English SF.  I'm not fluent in gibberish.mikeOk Let me edit it, and ill re-post it

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,08:35)So both WJ and the LXX think it speaks of Jesus' “origin”……what do you say Dennison?mikeTrying to catch up with all the posts, When i Read it, ill hit you up homeboy

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2010,08:39)Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2010,09:36)WJi can see you support the unsupported idea,tell me why would Christ be anything else than the image of is father.??Hi Pierre,Exactly.  And what difference would the order that the two phrases appeared in make?If it said Jesus was “King of kings and Lord of lords”,…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 29 2010,04:04)Mike!  It seems no matter what you or I put down as prove they just imply something else.  Even clear Scriptures, which makes no sense to me…. Keep up the good work…. Time will come and all will come to the understanding of the truths……I just can't think of anything else to say to them, it is ironic and s…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 29 2010,03:36)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 29 2010,15:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 26 2010,22:51)If Jesus was Created first, than why mention he is the IMAGE of the invisible God?  shouldnt it be backwards? shouldnt it say he is the firstborn of all creation the image of the invisible God? no IT DOES NOT!Good point…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 28 2010,02:29)SF,One day I hope you really understand but today is not that day and that's okay I didn't learn instantly and so it's pkay if you don't either.The very first problem you have is continuing to Believe that Jesus is God which would be making “God” asking God to save GodJesus asked to be saved from the…[Read more]

Mike and WJ,WE have to realize that Jesus is THE beginning, the Literal Alpha, he is not presented as being born, or begotten, or even created before day 1. Genesis 1:1 says in the BEGINNING the heaven and earth was created, we know that Christ created. Therefore there shouldnt be any more debate.ITs clear, Jesus did have a premature, or pre…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 28 2010,10:43)Mike, theres nothing at all wrong with delving into scripture,But Mike, if a few people here agree with you that doesnt prove it as truth,  theres a whole world, millions of people, If it was a conversation where others could join in, fine, isn't that what forums are for ? Why do you think theres people reading…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 27 2010,23:05)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 26 2010,02:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 26 2010,02:02)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,14:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 25 2010,23:36)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,13:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 25 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24…[Read more]

Gene,You bascially agree with t8Your just debating now for the sake of debate. I said from the beginning this was just a disagreement of the definition of the term “freewill”

Bod,Quote You are misunderstanding what is going on here. SF, does not agree that some are righteous as it is written in scripture and he believes this because of what Paul quoted out of the OT saying “No one is righteous” but the fact is that quote applied to Atheists.I love it how instead of answering about what Ja said, you pointed the other…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 27 2010,12:09)SF,Why do you keep saying without God as if we can even live without God? You must not understand what I am saying.Sin nor righteousness even has a definition without God so what are you really saying?Bod,You can live seperated from God and do everythign that he hates naturally. Im saying again that without…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,13:22)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 26 2010,18:23)Genesis 3:21-23Matthew 10:40-42 Luke 15:11-32John 9:30-32Genesis 18:22-242 Samuel 22:24-26 Job 1:7-9Matthew 10:40-421 Timothy 1:8-10James 5:15-17Mark 4:11-13 Isaiah 6:9-11Job 34:4-6now all these verses are in order in how you presented them.Whats funny that you went…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,12:32)Jesus said he came for the LOST sheep, he did not ever say that all the sheep were lost, did he?And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. Luke 5:30-32Do you not believe Jesus?Luke 5:32 (King James Version) 32I came not to call the righteous, but…[Read more]

Quote Looking at the Spiritual: “GOD The Father” raised “Jesus”=74 back to life(physically); once 'Lucifer'=74 had been successfully extracted from the GODHEAD! (Galatians 1:1)Now Jesus sits (in spirit form) at the right hand of “God The Father”=117. (Luke 22:69)Which is in the hearts of all believers starting on “Pentecost”=117! (Click Here)Ref…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 26 2010,13:29)[SFthanks for your answer,all what you have said was said to me 40 years ago by some of the elders in the church i was going at that time,this is a men view of explaining that he does not have the spirit of truth,he a spirit but he is full of men's view,why ?see your explanation God s spirit has no place in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 26 2010,22:12)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,14:24)Irene,How can you say that 1:18 has nothign to do with 15?i already gave my analysis.       Did you hear that Irene?  We all better back off because SF gave his “analysis”!   And earlier, he said: Quote Irene, if you saw the beginning of this thread,I already prov…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 27 2010,08:20)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 24 2010,16:36)Mike,It does not say that you must have “knowledge” of both of them.John 17:3  NWTThis means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.Scripture begs to differ with you.mikewow than your…[Read more]