Quote But by rendering the Greek words “en” and “dia” as “BY”, they've got SF thinking Jesus is God, because things were only created “BY” God, and this scripture says “BY”.Mike you have a misunderstanding of what i said.I have said it many times, that whether “through” or “by” the fact is that Jesus created and had participation in the creation…[Read more]

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Mike,NetnotesRevelation 22:13ContextNETBible I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end!) 1 XREF Isa 41:4; Isa 44:6; Isa 48:12; Re 1:8,11; Re 21:6 NET © Notes 1 sn These lines are parenthetical, forming an aside to the narrative. The speaker here is the Lord Jesus Christ himself rather than the narrator.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 19 2010,12:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2010,02:31)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 17 2010,19:57)A. Again What translation are you using, and if you would like lets go back to the hebrew of this passage.im going to post KJV Det4:15Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day…[Read more]

Quote Very good, young man.  So then it means either “origin” or “beginning”.  And both of those words mean that Jesus was “caused to exist”.Mike your trying awefully hard to change what scripture say into saying that Jesus was created, its says his beginnings/origins are from enternity/eons ago poetitcaly, but it doesnt say he was born, or was c…[Read more]

HI MIke,Quote Let's cut to the chase here D.  NETBible is an admittedly trinitarian web-site.  If there was ANY viable evidence of “goings forth” actually meaning “activities”, they would not have even mentioned that it could mean “beginning”.  For to do so would deliver an immediate death blow to the trinity by implying that “God #2” had a “b…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2010,08:24)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:59)Yet we know that Christ Created,Show me scripturally.mikeare you serious?Ok so we team up on Ed J on the other thread about this very same subject, and now your asking me for proof?Its clear that Jesus Christ has participation in the Creation of the world according…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,09:06)Hi SF,”God The Father” is the “Subject” in Col.1:12-20 and Jesus is the Object; English 101.I will take the liberty to insert both the subject and object into the text for 'your' understanding.Normally I remove the numbers, but for explanation purposes, my “Free Will” will leave them in for you.There is no…[Read more]

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,07:24)Hi T,Did Jesus create God ? ? ?God is in Heaven, No? God is invisible, No?  It is utter absurdity to believe Col.1:16-17 is referring to Jesus?!Colossians 1:16-17 For by were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 21 2010,07:01)bodhitharta,The only one “tampering” with the written word of God is you. You twist what is said and call His very word into doubt (sounds familiar). You “use” Bible verses taken out of context to “prove your point” while rejecting the other 95% that prove you wrong, all along pushing your brand of islam.…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,06:22)•Many are deceived into thinking they worship God, when in reality they worship the Bible. God is not contained within two leather covers. Those who think otherwise are Bibliolaters. The written Word of God is not the Word of God made flesh. (False Christianity Unmasked & Bible Worship Used by Men to Cover E…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,06:20)•There is no single perfect Bible translation, and besides, men have tampered with some of the Biblical texts. The only way to know or understand the Bible is by the Spirit of God and by preachers sent by God who perceive and teach the Word in His Spirit. (How We View and Use the Scriptures & Is the KJV t…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,07:11)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,13:06)Bod, Trust me when i say they do not believe in the Trinity. Its posted on their site within their many articles.I understood what you said but my point was believing that God is Jesus is indirectly believing in either a Binity or a Trinity, nonetheless it is not…[Read more]

Bod, Trust me when i say they do not believe in the Trinity. Its posted on their site within their many articles.

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:47)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,11:39)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,08:13)Hi SF,Perhaps these two verses together will help you to see…Rev.21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.2Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man be…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,06:32)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:18)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:45)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:18)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01)Quote Hi SF,I have already explained it for you;if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J Ed, you ignored my point…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2010,23:53)Hi D,I'm on my third time through the scriptures and am currently in Acts.  I just found a couple more verses about who did the creating.Acts 14:15 NIV15″Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2010,22:27)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,19:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2010,07:50)Hi D,This is from Shimmer's post in another thread:Another important feature of YLT is its treatment of the Hebrew word olam and the Greek word aion. These two words have basically the same meaning, and YLT translates them and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2010,22:20)SF:Quote Again now back on the subject, I do believe they are one and the same, so it wouldnt matter either way.  How does your “they are one and the same” theory fit in with the prayer in Acts 4?Acts 4:24 NIV24When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they…[Read more]