Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 30 2004,04:38) You quote 2 cor 12 and the 'super apostles' as evidence of human opposition that excludes the work of Satan. But go back a few verses and you will see Paul talking about his thorn in the flesh ” an angel of Satan sent to beat me and keep me from getting proud”Most agree that Paul's “thorn in the…[Read more]

Hi nate,Quote (nate @ Sep. 29 2004,23:53)how is it that god's “very good” creation could lie?Well, maybe it didn't The bottom line is that the serpent is clearly part of God's creation, and that God's creation was “very good”.Sam

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,23:02) Hebrews 2 14 says in my bible. “Since the the children share in flesh and blood He himself likewise also took part of the same so that through death He might RENDER POWERLESS HIM,WHO HAD THE POWER OF DEATH,THAT IS THE DEVIL..” A lot different to your version.Honestly, I'm at a loss to see how you…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2004,21:21)What about a brief post that convinces me that when the bible says THE Devil or THE Satan, that it is not talking about a person. Tell me why when the article is used with others, e.g. the Jesus, the God etc (meaning a person) that this should not apply to the Devil. Why is that particular one exempt? Seems…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2004,21:21)I will reply to your post later.OK.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2004,21:21)But for now I still say that you are the one who has to prove that the Devil doesn't exist.You don't think it's reasonable for me to expect you to back up your beliefs? You've made some pretty big claims about the devil that I don't think you can…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,21:14) The dragon is not literal. It is a symbol of Satan who is.Yes, exactly! And isn't it overwhelmingly clear from Revelation 13 & 17 and Daniel 2 & 7 just what Satan here really represents? It has nothing at all to do with an immortal evil being!Sam

Quote (Sammo @ Sep. 29 2004,20:55)Yeah – you're right to say that stars sometimes represent angels. There's Revelation 1:20 too, which is quite clear.Actually, on second thought, lots of people see the angels in Revelation 1:20 as human elders of the 7 ecclesias.

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,20:33)The fall of Satan from heaven did not happen in the distant past. He has had access rights to heaven where he acted as the accuser of the brethren, as described in Job, but also to earth, where he had his kingdom, as he confirmed in Job. What happens in Revelation is that he and his angels are cast to…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,17:57)Your church seems to teach that salvation is by works. That's not true. Why did you say that?Sam

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,18:43) We are not equal to angels in Jesus but greater than them as Hebrews 1 tells us.So also in Lk 20 it says we are LIKE TO angels in our new body but that does not include equality.Even if that were so, how does that help your cause? I really hope my body in the kingdom isn't capable of sin…Quote…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 29 2004,20:33)For the use of stars to symbolise angels look at Rev 9. v1-2. Could the star hold a key or was it the angel all along?Yeah – you're right to say that stars sometimes represent angels. There's Revelation 1:20 too, which is quite clear.However, convince me that the stars in Revelation 12 are angels – as…[Read more]

Hi t8,Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2004,20:13)How many times do you want me to quote Revelation 12:77″And there was war in heaven ,Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon.And the dragon and his angels waged war and they were not strong enough and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.And the great dragon ,the serpent of old who is…[Read more]

Hi t8, thanks for your replies.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2004,02:57)Hebrews 6:1-2Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2004,19:26)Rev 12 ” And a great SIGN appeared in heaven.A woman cothed with the Sun and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars” God uses the stars and sun and moon as signs to us and this was promised in Genesis.The alignment of the constellations and heavenly bodies is said to have…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 27 2004,20:54)I note you quote a lot from Job. Certainly Job attributed his sufferings to God-he may not even have known anything about Satan. He was right in a way because as you say God has the ultimate choice in all matters. But anyone reading the frist few chapters of Job would realise that God gave permission…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 27 2004,20:22)You say the wages of sin are death and apply that to the angels. But death comes through the law and the law was given to men and not angels so your inferences are wrong.If death comes through the law, then why do we die? We've never been under the law. Rather, sin reigned even from Adam to Moses…[Read more]

Hi nateQuote (nate @ Sep. 27 2004,22:14)the gist of my question was that if sin entered the world through adam then the serpent and the woman were guiltless…I think that's the way I see it – Paul is quite specific in Romans 5:Quote 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2004,03:07)You say that you have asked the same question 5 times. But I gave you scripture as your answer multiple times. It is because you do not understand scripture that you keep asking the same thing. LOL, show me where!Quote (Me @ Sep. 27 2004,19:04)For instance, I think this is the FIFTH time that I've directly asked…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 27 2004,19:16) Jn 4.24″GOD IS SPIRIT and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and Truth” it does not say “a spirit”I quoted the KJV of John 4:24, big deal.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 27 2004,19:16)I have no problem with the symbolism of Revelation. But John “SAW” these visions so they were literal to him and…[Read more]

Hi everyoneHere are two of t8's longstanding claims…Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2004,18:14)Satan the person is the inspiration behind all evil and liesQuote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,18:16)From Satan comes adversity.…although really I've talked about them more to Nick. Since Nick completely ignored every point I raised on the issue, I'm going to collate my…[Read more]