Quote (david @ May 25 2006,04:19)Quote Hi David”Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:31-33)The context of this is Jesus being crucified, 2000 years ago. Is this when you date…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2006,08:26)Quote Isaiah 45Quote7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.It makes no difference if you want to change “evil” here to “woe” (NASB) – it's not like woe is a happy thing, and the point in question is whether or not the devil is responsible for all…[Read more]

btw, people often talk about the word “satan” as if it's someone's name (including the passages in Job).However, the link I posted before shows that this definitely wasn't the case in Job 1-3 and Zechariah 3, and thus is extremely unlikely to be the case in 1 Chronicles 21 (and as David pointed out above, yes that does exhaust the traditional OT…[Read more]

Hi DavidQuote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Ok, to Job.Why would Satan have to ask God for persmission to do those things in front of the whole assmebly of the sons of God? Because Satan is very intelligent (not wise, smart).The rebellious spirit called Satan assembled with other spirits in God’s presence. “Would Job worship you if he got not…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:48)Yes, and who is the “ruler of the world” that Jesus mentioned 3 or 4 times who has no hold on Jesus. It's definitely not God in those verses. And in Rev 12, it speaks of Satan (the adversary) the original serpent, also called a dragon who with his angels battled with Michael and his angels, and he was hurled out…[Read more]

Hi DavidI'm sorry I didn't respond to this earlier.Quote (david @ May 18 2006,08:33)Quote Reasons not to believe that the Devil/Satan is an immortal fallen angel: 1* Angels cannot “fall”. If they sinned they would die (Romans 6:23), but they are immortal (Luke 20:36). Therefore angels cannot sin – they are “all” the “ministers of God” (Psalm…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2006,08:26)Quote Hi DavidAlso, specifically in relation to James 1:13, note that the same word for “try” in James 1:13 is used in Hebrews 11:17 – look it up:”By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son”Look back in Genesis and you'll find that…[Read more]

Nick,You can be extremely difficult to talk to sometimes. In one post you say that Revelation should be taken literally, but then in the very next breath you're explaining at length the symbolism in Revelation 12.FWIW, I'd try and point out the gaps in your last post, but you do an embarrasingly good job of that yourself.Honestly, what kind of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God. Sin comes from within our own heart.Regardless of what the next verse says, you say that evil or the bad things that happen comes from God.Scripture says:JAMES 1:13“When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For WITH EVIL THINGS GOD canno…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)Hi Sammo. I've read your link about Job.Thanks.Quote (david @ May 22 2006,00:23)first, back to this quote of yours:Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God. Sin comes from within our own heart.Regardless of what the next verse says, you say that evil or the bad things that happen comes from…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,23:24)Hi sammo, Now that you have had time to consider the matter according to the precious Word of God, who is “the god of this world?”Hi NickWhatever this is, it clearly doesn't exist as a literal being – there are plenty of verses that say that God is God alone, and it's just plain silly to think that the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,21:54)Hi sammo,So if you state, as your basis of faith in these matters, thatRevelation is only symbolismHi NickThis deserves to be taken to task. Please read through Revelation 12:Quote 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a…[Read more]

Just a man.

(You're doing it again… )

Nick, on the other hand, understands every verse in scripture perfectly I really wish you'd stop trying to score such cheap debating points, you do it all the time.Given how many verses there are in scripture that say that there is only ONE God, I honestly don't see how this verse could be saying that there is another literal 'god' out there with…[Read more]

(messed up tags in the last paragraph sorry!)

Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:29)Quote Evil (as in bad things that happen) comes from God.On what do you base this?Did you follow the link I gave? I've already posted at some length about this. Quote (david @ May 21 2006,07:29)Does not the entire book of Job declare otherwise? Job may at first have thought the bad things were happening to him…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 21 2006,07:40)Hi sammo, Then what of Satan being the “god of this world”?Hi NickOff the top of my head, I don't know.

Click 'quote' at the top of Is 1:18's last post, and have a look at the tags in his post that will show up in the 'original post to quote' box

Quote (david @ May 19 2006,07:53)I'm wondering if you could in just a few sentences very simply define your beliefs on Satan, the demons (sickenss, right?) and angels (a word which I realize literally means, 'messengers.') I'm not looking for the reasons you believe these things, just wanting to know exactly what you specifically believe.Hi…[Read more]