Hi Is 1:18Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 16 2004,02:57)Hi Guys,Interesting discussion you have going here. I just wanted to add my view on the burial of Moses incident. I think he was the only man reported to have been buried by God Himself – its pretty wierd really. Ive got a slightly different take on it but its a bit 'out there'. I think im right in…[Read more]

Hi nateQuote (nate @ Sep. 15 2004,20:59)ah… i'm glad you brought that up – you know how the israelites had a tendancy to worship anything? they worshipped a golden cow, they worshipped the symbol of their suffering (the bronze serpent), they made idols and worshipped other gods, etc… well, deuteronomy tells us in the “hidden body” passage that…[Read more]

Hi nateQuote (nate @ Sep. 14 2004,22:00)i still don't think that's what it was talking about because while zech 3:1 says the angel of the lord, verse 2 says “the lord said to satan”, so although the angel of the lord resisted satan, it was the lord who spoke… which seems to contradict jude 1:9, which says that michael spoke – as far as i can…[Read more]

Hi nateQuote (nate @ Sep. 14 2004,01:21)concerning the chocolate bar – have you never heard a picnic say, “eat me… go on, you'll enjoy it!” hehehe… but seriously… i agree that in the case of a chocolate bar, and in all other cases of temptation, there is a playing on our inner urges, but just because only one man submits does not mean that…[Read more]

LOL, guess this gives you some idea of how long my last post took to write!Quote (Guest @ Sep. 13 2004,20:54)i think jude 1:9 is actually refering to the book of enoch… but i'm not sure…That's interesting – I've never heard that before. How does it go?Quote (Guest @ Sep. 13 2004,20:54)i don't think you've answered the “legion cast into the…[Read more]

Hi NateQuote (nate @ Sep. 09 2004,22:51)i understand that eph 6:12, “kosmokrator” is generally translated “ruler”Well, Ephesians 6:12 is its only occurance.Quote (nate @ Sep. 09 2004,22:51)but the word actually comes from “kosmos” meaning, basically the world and everything in it, and “krateo” meaning possessor, or the one who holds…“Possessor”…[Read more]

Hi RingoQuote (ringo111 @ Sep. 09 2004,19:44)Quote Beelzebub is unquestionably an Ekronite god (2 Kings 1:2). Did Beelzebub exist? Did Beelzebub have any power? Judging from Baal's performance in 1st Kings 18, I'd strongly suggest not. Consider what Isaiah says about the gods of surrounding nations in chapter 37:When they spoke lies, Jesus…[Read more]

Hi Ringo, I hope you're well.Quote (ringo111 @ Sep. 09 2004,11:05)if you believe that satan is not a being in controll of angelsPlease show me the passages that prove (original post edited: my mistake) that demons are the angels of Satan.Quote (ringo111 @ Sep. 09 2004,11:05)Jude 1:9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the…[Read more]

Hi nate,Quote (nate @ Sep. 09 2004,02:45)regarding the temptation of jesus… i looked up your references for the “temptation comes from within” statement, and this is what i think:jeremiah 17:9 says that the heart is desparately wicked, but says nothing about temptation… i don't think we can apply this to jesus, because he could not have been…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ Sep. 09 2004,04:41)Thanks for the info guys, that answered my questions pretty well. And I suppose colour doesn't really matter.Hey Sammo, I see your a Christadelphian. I get usefull information about the bible from them through the post. That's cool Take care wepps

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 03 2004,02:35)Luke 11:18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebub.Satan – himself. Both him and self show a person.Beelzebub is unquestionably an Ekronite god (2 Kings 1:2). Did Beelzebub exist? Did Beelzebub have any power? Judging from…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 03 2004,02:54)If the following verse is about Satan, then he is an angel.Ezekiel 28:16Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.Nowhere in this passage is Satan mentioned.…[Read more]

Hi Is 1:18Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 09 2004,03:32)The word “powers” in Eph 6:12 is the Greek word exousia and it occurs only once in the whole NT. I can't see how you can compare it to Rom 13:1 and Luke 12:11. A different word is used and the contexts are radically different.Take careAre you sure? I'm pretty sure there are about 100 exousias in the…[Read more]

Hi Is 1:18Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 02 2004,03:19)I agree with Nate's sentiments on the Satan issue – for me he is clearly portrayed as a specific and unique spiritual entity, a leader of demons. I believe the Bible teaches that he has access to both heaven and earth until some time during the tribulation when he will be kicked out for good (Rev…[Read more]

Hi nateOK – here are some thoughts on satan and the devil Quote (nate @ Sep. 02 2004,00:31)what about the parable of the sheep and the goats where jesus says, he will say to those on his left, depart from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and HIS angels? even if you read this as the adversiary and his messengers,…[Read more]

I remember coming across something interesting in biology once – apparantly there are 5 types of skin colour, depending on the combination of various genes.The upshot of it was that if you have two type 3 parents – directly inbetween completely white and completely black – it's possible, although unlikely, to produce offspring with any of the 5…[Read more]

Hi nate, Is 1:18, t8,Thanks for your thoughtful responses, I think there's a lot to think about. I'm going to suggest laying aside demons for the moment, and just dealing with satan/the devil – does that sound ok? There's only so much I can write at once, and I think it will be easier to keep track of with a narrower topic anyway. I'm happy to…[Read more]

Hi RingoQuote They keep they're main meetings in secretThat's not true. Anyone's quite welcome to come along.Quote You're most probably better off going to a mainstream church that isnt labeled a cult.Well, as I think nate has pointed out, just being mainstream doesn't necessarily make you right. Also bear in mind that, as an anti-trinitarian, you…[Read more]

Hi guysThanks for your posts. I won't be able to do them justice until about Tuesday, but I can offer just one quick thought.Quote what about the parable of the sheep and the goats where jesus says, he will say to those on his left, depart from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and HIS angels? even if you read this…[Read more]

OK – demons! Rightly or wrongly (I'm convinced wrongly) most Christians believe that demons are evil spirits in the service of the Devil.The first point to make then, is that if anything I've said about the devil is correct, then this is enough on its own to undermine orthodox belief in demons. If the devil is not an immortal fallen angel, then…[Read more]