Hi guysThe aim of this post is to show that the passages in Revelation that mention the devil are necessarily symbolic, absolutely inescapably so.I don't pretend to know the entire meaning of the book. Nonetheless I am certain that Revelation is to be interpreted symbolically, and I'm going to present but the tip of the iceberg of the…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2004,02:43)Sammo, you didn't explain the obvious from the following scriptures.1) He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.3) Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought backI'll discuss Revelation in a seperate post.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2004,02:43)2) And no wonder, for…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2004,22:29)I have no intention to “prove” you wrong as you are in a defensive role and not open to learning. If you believe the sky is pink then so be it. Please respond to my posts, really please. Time and time again I ask you and t8 direct questions and time and time again you both ignore them completely.If…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2004,19:55)Where is your foundation laid-on a denomination's teachings?Sharing the same beliefs as others doesn't make them wrong.First you say:Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 26 2004,19:55)In my view your posts express a lot of personal opinion as you use phrases such as ” I think..” I guess..” I see..” ” could be..”…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2004,21:11)We know some of these heavenly beings could have sexual relations with women from Gen 6 so the reference to us by Jesus being asexual like angels in our resurrected bodies may mean only the simple angels rather than the higher orders of being in heaven?Well, maybe, but I doubt you'll find any…[Read more]

Hi t8,Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2004,19:52)Also the following verses show that the Devil is a person who is at least in charge of his angels. So what is he himself?Well, exactly – the Bible never calls the devil an angel. That bit's inferred.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2004,19:52)Revelation 12:9The great dragon was hurled down–that ancient serpent called the d…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2004,16:10)Your translation of Is 45.7 is more than a little deceptive.Mine says ” I am the Lord.There is no other.I form the light and create the darkness.I make well being and create WOE”-not EVIL. What a difference a little tweak makes.And that is consistent with 1Jn 1.5″..God is light, in Him there is no…[Read more]

Hi Is 1:18, hope your day's going ok.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 23 2004,19:25) haven't read all of this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned. You believe in the cause and effect principle right? If God is the ultimate source of all that is good, what is evil's source? It has to have one doesn't it?I think there's a distinction to be made…[Read more]

Hi NickQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2004,19:02)I cannot prove to you the existence of the Devil-but God could though that way would not be preferable. Well, what do you want me to say? Either it's in the Bible or it isn't.This is what I've asked for from t8:Evidence that the devil is an AngelEvidence that the devil took 1/3 of God's Angels with…[Read more]

Hi t8, hope your weekend's going well.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,18:16)Quote (Sammo @ Sep. 24 2004,13:02)If “slanderer” were personified, I don't think it would.Slanderer means a person does it not?Sorry – my mistake. I meant to say “if slanderer were a personification”, which is quite different.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,18:16)Who was the first to…[Read more]

Hi t8,Thanks for your post.Can I ask you to break your evidence down? This will make it easier to keep track of exactly what we're discussing. I'm going to suggest breaking your evidence into the following statements you've made about the devil…Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,16:49)He is an AngelQuote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,16:49)He took 1/3 of God's…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2004,17:35)As you said these are not your thoughts but those of others you are sharing.I don't think I said that. And just because I share my beliefs with others doesn't make them any less mine.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2004,17:35)I have dealt with demons and know their effects. I went to see a friend…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,16:49)I believe that the Devil is a person and an adversary of God. He is an Angel that took 1/3 of God's Angels with him in his adversity.Then prove it.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 23 2004,16:49)I think that to de-personalise Satan or the Devil requires that we read most verses regarding him not as it is written, but through a…[Read more]

Hi guys,Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2004,18:58)I knew a lady who was a Christadelphian. When I mentioned Heaven she corrected me with the words “good thoughts” and likewise Hell as bad thoughts.So I guess that she was not a fair representitive of that organisation.That's not the way it's sounding, anyway.Quote (nick @ Sep. 22 2004,20:56)As I understand it…[Read more]

Hi Nick, t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 22 2004,18:14)Also, if Satan here has an article then Jesus was talking to Satan the person.But that's not what it says – it doesn't say “he turned and said unto Satan“. It says “he turned and said unto Peter“.I should have mentioned in my last post that whether or not a definite article is used doesn't challenge my…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 21 2004,18:56)I am aware that Christadelphians believe that heaven is not a place but a state of good thought and hell is the opposite. I am also aware that they do not believe in literal angels and a literal devil.Yeah? We do believe that heaven is a place, and that Jesus is there as we speak, on God's right hand. We also…[Read more]

Quote (nate @ Sep. 20 2004,21:48)i would say rather that we agree to disagree, and hope that god shows us the truth (if it is really important)…Yeah, I can second that – I think we've both presented our views and will be going round in circles soon (if not a little already).Obviously we both think we're right – that's not uncommon. But I guess…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 21 2004,01:29)I think we need to define our terms hereDefinitely agreed!This subject always seems to turn into a tangle of semantics

Hi nate,Quote (nate @ Sep. 20 2004,01:12)the septuagint is a greek translation of the hebrew, and there's no guarantee that it is a) accurate Except for the places where it's quoted by the apostles, I agree.Quote (nate @ Sep. 20 2004,01:12)or b) seeing as it originated in egypt, that it was used by the apostles… Sure there is, the apostles…[Read more]

Hi nate, Is 1:18About Joshua 5…Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 18 2004,21:46)The context of the passage, to me, indicates that Joshua was in the presence of someone much greater than an angel.I think the angel was probably the one who bore the name of God from Exodus 23, and spoke and acted on his behalf:Quote 20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee,…[Read more]