Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2009,10:51)Should you not seek first the kingdom if you have yet to fully obey the commands of Jesus?First before what? My faith response, compelled by the love of Christ and my love for Him, caused me to be obedient to my Lord.Did you mean to infer something by your “if” that I am to take personally?Quote Quote…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 07 2009,23:17)Can you find any scripture that calls Jesus a brother?Then should we?Quote MT 12:48-50 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Feb. 08 2009,01:09)Quote Aren't you guys – old guys? Aren't you old enough, and mature enough in the Lord to be beyond this bickering you do, and this one-upping thing you do?Mandy, Thank you for that effort even if it is ignored. Amazing how we justify our un-christlikeness! By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people…[Read more]

Thinker,Quote I have seen this licentiousness by non-faith alone people too. Yes, of course.   The Lord says:  “These people come near to me with their mouth    and honor me with their lips,    but their hearts are far from me.  Their worship of me    is made up only of rules taught by men. Is. 29:13MK 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2009,21:14)Hi S, Is salvation by faith alone a gradual process or dramatic? How do you know it is true and keep doubts at bay?What do you think of the need for the three heavenly witnesses?1Jn55Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he who came by water and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2009,19:05)Hi S,Hebrews 9:14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?The blood of Jesius is not applied to those who read the bible and intellectually assent to the ways of God. But the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 06 2009,18:47)Thinker,I must confess to being a lousy communicator I guess.Quote I don't know any “faith alone” Christians who believe that they can live any life they want. I certainly have not inferred this. You are right! You have not inferred that and I didn't mean to infer you had. Quote The only difficulty I have…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2009,17:42)Quote It is done by the blood of Jesus according to our pleading in water baptism.Forgive me, I don't recall that scripture. I do recall –Quote 1CO 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 06 2009,17:43)Thinker,”How much do I have to reach out to you before you lighten up a little? I never inferred that I have everything sorted out in point in time. I said that I strive to remove all inconsistency from my thinking. Just refute me if you can. No need to belittle. You expose your true character when you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2009,17:06).Nick,Quote So who is among the saved and how do they know?The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.Gal. 6:8 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 06 2009,14:58)Nick,I have read your rhetoric with many on these subjects. I honor that a walk with Jesus is progressive in faith, obedience, understanding, and performance. Many enjoy to think they have everything sorted out point in time and extend no room for growth in understanding. You referenced, “So you may or may…[Read more]

Thinker,I hasten to add to my last post that I ask about dating, logic, etc. to learn.Also, you  mentioned elsewhere that you correct the “Pastor” and “Elders” if you feel, they are espousing or allowing to be espoused error.”  Pray tell what church you attend where those people will allow such dialogue. I would like to find one.Seeking

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 06 2009,10:06)Thinker,Quote I love you maaan! But you have said that we are required to be baptized. I do not recall saying that. Perhaps you can direct me to the post. Perhaps you felt I inferred that. What I believe isthat man must, convicted by the Spirit – not me, recognize his seperation from God because of sin.…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 05 2009,22:59)Hello to Cindy, Marty, Lu, Irene and any I missed that have your attitudes.I appreciate and admire your sprits of humility and love as you post and discuss understandings. I pray that same spirit will prevail throughout these forums.Paul sure made clear the one ingrediant that must prevail among us –Quote If I…[Read more]

Quote On the contrary. Some of you are teaching that we are required to be baptized. And you assume that by “faith alone” I mean that we shouldn't do good deeds as Christians. By “faith alone” I mean today that we are justifiedby faith alone and not by works.Here is what has been said on this forum –Salvation by works would mean that we have…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 05 2009,17:08)Seeking wrote:Quote It appears Paul taught that that faith brought forth obedience.  What did they obey?Seeking,The “obedience” that Paul spoke about was obedience to the doctrine of grace,Quote But God be thanked that though you were the slaves of sin, you have obeyed from the heart that FORM OF DOCTRINE to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2009,16:05)But although we are not saved by good works, it should be clear that if a person is not obeying the gospel through love, he is not saved.Quote 1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. 1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 05 2009,15:16)Quote Salvation by works would mean that we have obeyed the word of God without sin even unto death just as did our Lord.Yes!!!! And my oedience out of love is NOT works salvation, is it!Quote Water baptism is an action showing that we have believed and have repented. Yes, it is a work or a commandment of our…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Feb. 05 2009,14:24)Seeking What I have thought is faith is not just a mental belief and desire for outward actions,   it is more to do with what happens to your heart when you believe and your actions and obedience come from the heart – it has to do with faithfulness to all to do with the Spirit – trying to emulate the nature of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 26 2009,18:02)In Fact show me the Words “FREE WILL” in any Bible and if it is not there should we be teaching that.Gene,Would you apply this also to “Faith Alone” teaching?The only mention faith alone in the Bible says this: You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.Seeking