Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,14:24)Nick,This is your second flip flop of the day.You began the discussion about teaching with this statement: none are teachers but the Word and the Spirit of Christ are.Now you are here: Indeed God has appointed teachers.Then you cite passages, most if not all of which I posted previously in this discussion,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,16:37)Hi S, I quite agree that the zeal of the Lord of Hosts drives us in our work.But we do have to let the wind of the Spirit, which waxes and wanes, do that.Men who are constantly religious are usually not guided by the gentle wind of the spirit.Nick,Finally!  I was discussing what we, the Spirit led do and…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ Feb. 12 2009,17:09)SeekingThe ones that have conquered are the saints, those who come up in the first resurrection.Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. All humans…[Read more]

Nick,Do you think your posting of passages with no explanation proves your point?  Silly question on my part – of course youdo despite many comments to the contrary.The discussion is do we strive or not.  I said yes you said no.In your recent post you, again, contradict yourself with thescriptures you use.You post – Then he answered and spake u…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,14:18)Nick responded,Hi S, You say”Again, I see us all on the same page, we join one another in this hope striving to walk constantly in the Spirit led by the Spirit. But Kerwin, if we have already attained it all striving ceases.”Next Nick proposes,Striving ceases when we yield to the Spirit.After citing some…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 13 2009,13:36) Still you also must be careful less you think you made your goal before you have crossed the finish line. As Jesus said “watch and be dressed and ready for service”.Kerwin,And when do we cross that finish line? It seems we must press on to perfection until then. Completed perfection does not seem to be poss…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,12:19)John 3:2this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, ” Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”John 1:38And Jesus turned and saw them following, and said to them, “What do you seek?” They said to Him, ” Rabbi (which…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2009,11:22)Questions are because none are teachers but the Word and the Spirit of Christ are.Nick,As has been pointed out before, you contradict yourself and the scriptures. When I posted the perpetual teaching commanded by Jesus, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 12 2009,20:22)Hi you Greek sholars:Is there any chance that Hebrews 1:10 is mistranslated.  Can it be translated differently?   It does not seem to line up with Hebrews 1:2 which states:While I do not invite the title “Greek Scholar” I do not find any variations among the scholars for that text.Cindy and T8 have made some g…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2009,13:03)Hi, This is what Jesus says to the churches.Revelation 2:11' He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'Overcoming is essential.I ask again, “In the context of Rev.2,  how did theyovercome?In the context, it seems they are…[Read more]

 Kerwin,You wrote,”scripture clearly states those who live the spirit will not sin. It is true that to live by the spirit you have faith and your faith must be completely mature to live by the spirit at all times. It appears to me everyone, including you, are finally on the same page – a completely mature faith will walk sinless at all times…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 12 2009,16:37)Nope no quarel.  Id lightenup a trinitarian?  I did not know. I was adressing the concept of a pre=existent Christ.Martian,Glad we're at peace! It seems inherent in Trinitarian convictions has to be the pre-existence of Christ in the sense that a three in one concept would put each member as pre-existent.I c…[Read more]

Martian,Recall what I wrote –Quote Before I share some thoughts I wish to be clear I no longer hold to Trinitarian convictions.  I will try to respond to your question as to how a Trinitarian can be helped in their walkwhen they hold to those beliefs.  Quote Again, I only submit this because I thought you were seeking clarity as to how a T…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 12 2009,08:27)Martian,Before I share some thoughts I wish to be clear I no longer hold to Trinitarian convictions. I will try to respond to your question as to how a Trinitarian can be helped in their walkwhen they hold to those beliefs. You asked – and rightly so”If His pre=existence helped him overcome temptation then how…[Read more]

For all discussing “The Second Death.”Please share your take on how it is avoided in light of this scripture -“Rev 2:11 ESV He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.' Seeking

Hello all,Hope gives us endurance to press on –  Quote Heb 6:18 ESV  so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us. Hope also produces in us rejoicing – Quote m 5:2  Through him we have also obtained access by faith in…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 12 2009,01:46)Let's both keep it in a Christian like manner from now on. For some reason I especially like you (hugs and kisses). I don't know why I do. I just do.Thinker,Amen! I agree – let's do. I have an affinity for you also. Perhaps we have walked the same paths. I also grew up in Chicago and sought to survive as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2009,09:56)Seeking ……….I was not talking about you, just to you.  I have not seen you use GOD word as a club at all, I do not mind you expanding on scripture i elude to either, In fact i welcome it. Your knowledge of Scripture is good as well as other here also. love and peace to you and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2009,09:03)Seeking…………it really irks me to see people use Gods word as a club and try to push people around creating fears and anxiety in people. To use God for trepidation of people is sin itself. geneGene,I am not certain if you mean to say “I” irked you or not.My intent was simply to expand on a scripture…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Feb. 12 2009,08:55)As I said there are those that engage in and teach fruitless doctrine without any clue that they are wasting everyone’s time.I have gone on and off this venue many times. I come back and find the boards full of mental ascension, philosophy, and fruitless teaching. Godless chatter that does nothing to help a p…[Read more]