Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2011,10:46)Quote (Rena @ July 01 2011,08:32)Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2011,17:11) Hi Pierre,I haven't been reading this thread,because it is 'irrelevant'Ed, it is not irrelevant because, some people came to see that Jesus was risen in the flesh, when they previously believed Jesus was risen as a spirit only. So they believed…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2011,04:57)Renayou should read the Chap 7  and 14 of revelation ,and ask who is the info comes from,Rev 6:1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven sealsI can not tell all the things i understand you would not believe it anyway,so read the word of God intensively and prayers and Gods will,(spirit) will come…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2011,17:11) Hi Pierre,I haven't been reading this thread,because it is 'irrelevant'Ed, it is not irrelevant because, some people came to see that Jesus was risen in the flesh, when they previously believed Jesus was risen as a spirit only. So they believed scripture eventually over the doctrines of men.How about you? I don't…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2011,16:26)I admit I have not read the commentaries on Isaiah 66 but I do like to compare scriptures to one another and Isaiah 66:22-24 is a summary of the same message foretold in Revelations 21-22.  Gehenna was a trashpit outside of the city of Jerusalem and the worms burrowed through the rotten garbage that was also on…[Read more]

144000 + the harvest of the world = the multitude that no man can count – seen before the throne of God in HEAVEN.Put away your preconcieved ideas, that were obviously influenced by JW literature!

Hi TT33.Welcome:)Smoking… I quit EASILY after praying. But started again only because of my mood which was a bit down. BUT I only smoke a bit – compared to what I used to. And I know now, that if I had to stop, there would be no problem. Hows it going with it?

Istari, Mike, Terrarica, and anyone else who believes in a 'millenium' or that 144000 ONLY go to heaven,Firstly, there is NO point in a thousand year millenium. Can someone tell me what the point is? How come Jesus never mentions it?In Rev:7, there's the first resurrection, the first fruits, which are Hebrews, from the twelve tribes of Isreal. The…[Read more]

Mark, I hate tough times, I know, me too. May God give us strength. Tim I think you should listen to what Mark says. I think theres a lot of truth in that. As I said its something my Dad would say. But he speaks a lot of truth. Think about it.

Hi Irene! I hope your well.I'll have to look into your verses later. It's late where I am. Goodnight.

Tim, no, I just read Isaiah 66 and that was my understanding on it, and I then looked briefly at the commentaries. But your right, best understanding is as you say, with the help of God.

Quote (mikeangel @ June 29 2011,23:34)God is not the destroyer of life. Satan is. Man has a choice, and since the world follows Satan, death reigns here, but not for long. Jesus himself aknowledged that the ruler of this world is satan and is in dakness. Jesus was light, but the world perferred darkness, because it's works were evil. Still is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ June 29 2011,12:21)Good point Ed. Also, as I read it, the ones who think of thierselves highly or rightious will be brought low, and humble and lowly will be exalted. One who thinks they are sinless and perfect is asking for SERIOUS trouble. IMHO.“He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2011,16:10)Please consider those two scriptures in the context of Isaiah 66 as that is a summary of the times upto and including those foretold in Revelations 21 and 22.Kerwin.Isaiah 66, according to the commentaries – Christ, the gospel, to Israel, and Gentile, here and now.Im Amillenial, so I understand the “millenium” as…[Read more]

Tim, I was thinking more, like…. spiritual kingdom, not like this. 'nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'Like another dimension right close that we cant see.

Quote It will come down when theres a new Heaven, and new Earth.I dont get this though. Something doesnt feel right.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 29 2011,16:23)Hi Rena,You are speaking of 21:6-8, right?  I'm speaking of 22:14-15.  Read that part and tell me what you think………..or did I misunderstand some of your post?  peace and love,mikeHi Mike.You said,Quote I re-read Rev 21 and 22.  It seems to me that the Kingdom of God will indeed be among mankind.  Bu…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ June 28 2011,00:56)Oops, I ment to say we are humble by those statements and honest. Someday we will #1 be reeel smart. #2 meet in heavan. Amen Mark. Shouldnt be too long now.

Mike, and all, Rev 21 and 22,I just read it, and this is how I see it.The elect make up the Holy City Jerusalem that came down like a bride adorned for her husband. It is built with the 12 gates, which are the 12 tribes of Isreal, and 12 foundations which are the 12 Apostles.Those on the outside – the unclean, are thrown into the lake of fire…[Read more]

Tim and Theodore, my brains really tired at the moment, theres so many opinions on things at the moment, thanks though.

Quote (mikeangel @ June 27 2011,05:08)I have to ask, and I am  stupid so please make your answer as short as possible, I have a very short attention span, in addition to not knowing how to spell-  Haha Mark, I could say the same about myself!