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[Qinael]

Ah, alright.

When I say “sinless” in the human I mean in the sense of free from all willful sin – i.e. that the Christian will never do what they know is wrong any more than Christ would have, because the Spirit – flesh union is precisely the same.

Whereas Christ resisted temptation from birth and never had to “unlearn”, only learn, we “all” who “have sinned” have many things to unlearn. As far as our knowledge at a given times goes, however, we have the very life of Christ.

Sinless is one of those words like “Perfect” – it is technically biblically accurate, since it was translated that way, but whereas the original language made clear the distinction between ignorant and known matters, the translations often don't.

I hope this clarifies sufficiently what I intended to express.

[Qinael]

Hi,

Thanks for the clarification.

Not to analyze your wording *too* closely, but I'm a bit curious as to why you chose the word “However” to start your post, since I don't understand your statement, as you are using the words, to be contradictory.

[Qinael]

How strange… I was waiting for some further responses, and I received an email telling me my registration had been canceled.

Well, anyway.

There hasn't been much commentary for me to further comment on here, though I hope your reading has been going well, Mandy.

In response to the “mistakes” comment, well, I always find it a little odd when I post comprehensive lists of Scripture and reasoning, and the only response is an affirmation with no “Thus saith the Lord” or any explanation of all the prior “Thus saith the Lords” that the affirmation contradicts.

As a result, I don't often tend to respond to such things, because I feel that the Scriptures already given do so well enough; if someone wants to believe a person above the Bible, that is of course their freedom.

Now I suppose it could be worth mentioning that it depends highly on what you consider a “mistake” to mean. Strangely enough, I disagree with the word “striving” more than the “mistakes” part, because the Christian walk is no such thing – it is Christ that keeps us from sin, therefore there is no self, no “striving” to keep the law, but resting in the power of Christ through whom we do it.

If a “mistake” means to “mistakenly violate what you know to be right”, then it is not a mistake, but sin, and should be called by it's right name. To say a Christian will do this is to plainly contradict the Scriptures.

If a “mistake” means to “make an honest error in judgment, thinking you are doing the right thing but find out otherwise later,” then yes, this may well happen to Christians, and almost certainly will. It is what the person does with this new knowledge that decides their nature; will they put it away immediately and follow in the new knowledge Christ has given them? The born again Christian will.

As Paul so aptly put it:

“Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.” (Phil. 3:15,16)

And yes, I apologize for the post length – I do realize it is much to go over, but so often I find that when I bring this topic up, the thread very quickly *exceeds* the length of that first post with my defending and expounding on the ideas in it to meet the opposition. So, I've taken to simply posting a very thorough case at the first to cut through that, since people dislike long threads even more than long posts.

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