Jesus was never the Son of God until He was Born as such. The first begotten. Remember He gave up His former glory to submit to the father.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2006,07:30)Hi kenrch,you say”Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:” means Jesus was the first created. But does it? Could it mean that creation started through him?That makes sense to me Nick.

Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 20 2006,02:39)I can't seem to get a straight answer. Was The Word Created Or Begotten. Was Jesus A Spirit Being? What Was Jesus Before He Was The Word? What Did Jesus Want To Go Back To Being Before The World Began?Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ Aug. 20 2006,02:31)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 20 2006,03:04)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:02)The bible is complete there are no other instructions left to give. So the Spirit should agree with scripture. I don't remember (other than a word of knowledge) the Spirit saying anything contrary to the Word.Hi KenrchEven in a word of knowledge,…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 20 2006,04:12)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 19 2006,22:04)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:02)The bible is complete there are no other instructions left to give. So the Spirit should agree with scripture. I don't remember (other than a word of knowledge) the Spirit saying anything contrary to the Word.Hi KenrchEven in a word of…[Read more]

Here is the mystery of God. God is one. But at the beginning of creation God said “Let there be…” and there was. But then we are told that the Word of God created everything, and the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. That is the three parts of God.

t8, that's where you get into trouble my friend. If you can't see God being God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit, the only option you have is to deny the Person of the Holy Spirit and also deny the deity of Jesus Christ.

Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:30)Oxy, you say “As long as God has been able to speak there has been the Word of God”.But Jesus prayed that He would become as He was before the world. If Jesus is just words then He was a thought in the Father's mind first. So Jesus wanted to go back to being a thought in the Father's mind?No Jesus was more than…[Read more]

Quote (rejoycesing @ Aug. 19 2006,15:48)Oxy, If that is what God revealed to you then that is a point and rhema word for you in your walk. (As far as my meditating on the past experience) I see from the scriptures a similar event for the children of Israel and the strangers that were with them. God delivered them out of Egypt with a mighty hand.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2006,11:04)Hi Oxy, I love all scripture. So what you see written below:”Jesus said Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.is sufficient proof for you that the Holy Spirit is a…[Read more]

Quote (typrsn @ Aug. 19 2006,18:23)Please don't expect to post statements that can't be supported by scripture. Everyone's experience is different, but we are not here to discuss our experiences. We are supposed to be discussing the Feasts of YHWH (primarily Tabernacles) and how they relate to Christ and the church. That is what I was attempting…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:02)The bible is complete there are no other instructions left to give. So the Spirit should agree with scripture. I don't remember (other than a word of knowledge) the Spirit saying anything contrary to the Word.Hi KenrchEven in a word of knowledge, what the Spirit says should line up with Scripture. But one of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2006,10:36)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 19 2006,07:23)Good grief Nick, what do you want? I thought Jesus declaring the Holy Spirit to be “He” would suffice!It certainly does it for me without having to look further.Hi Oxy, Come on. You know inference is unreliable. Come up with facts from the source we share,the scriptures,if…[Read more]

Nick, I was simply saying that there are some things I know because God has taught me in such a way that there is no doubt in my mind.There are some things I am reasonably sure of, and I am open to discussion and new ideas as long as they line up with Scripture.There are a host of things that I know little or nothing about. I am still…[Read more]

I'm not too familiar with thier teachings, but one that I am aware of is that they see the Holy Spirit as being a “power” rather than a person. Reading John 14:26 always stops them in their tracks. After that you can often share the love of Jesus with them.

Good grief Nick, what do you want? I thought Jesus declaring the Holy Spirit to be “He” would suffice!It certainly does it for me without having to look further.

Isn't that what begotten means? Matthew 1 is full of who begat who, and those who are begat are begotten. What's the problem?www.dictionary.com describes begotten this way: To father; sire.So by Jesus being the Son of God and Mary, He was in actual fact, begotten or begat.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2006,05:29)Hi Oxy, I hope you were not sure you were guided to come to such a conclusion as I have never darkened their door. How did you come to nonscriptural conclusions about God you should rather be asking yourself perhaps?My apologies then Nick. I have obviously got you confused with someone else. I was sure…[Read more]

God only became a Father when Jesus was born.

I'm getting tired of repeating myself here Nick, but here we go again.Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So we see that the Word was God, along WITH God.Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full…[Read more]