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AOC,
You asked these questions and I will answer them.
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Finally, based off your belief that Jesus is the Father, the same person, here are a few question to consider:

1) Is Jesus His own Father?

2) Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?

3) If Jesus’ will and the Father’s will were identical, then why did Jesus express the desire to escape the cup but resigns Himself not to His own will, but the will of the Father?

4) Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9), then how do you maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit, who of course does not have a body?

5) If God is only one person, why did Jesus say in John 14:23, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, "we"?***********

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1) Is Jesus His own Father?-YES

With the the understanding:
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

So let us rightly divide the Word of Truth:

Scriptures:
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD( Jehovah), thy redeemer( Jesus is the Redeerer), and he( Jehovah) that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD(Jehovah) that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

(This verse shows that the LORD:JEHOVAH Created ALL things by himself.)
( The statement also states his relation to man: Jehovah Redeemer.)
( This states he is a single person/being by the use of "I" and restates it again with "MYSELF".If the LORD was a trinity would he )
(not say so?)( I can show spriture upon scripture to stress this one point from the very mouth of the LORD.)

We start with Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

( ALL STUDENTS OF THE BIBLE agree this is a prophecy of the Messiah)

1. "For unto us a child is born,"

He will be human born, a man with the body and a soul. see
Isa 7:14,Luk 1:31,Phi 2:7-8, Heb 4:15,Gal 4:4; these verse speak of the Lord’s humanity. After the flesh he is man.

2."unto us a son is given:"
This human will be someones son and there for having a father and a mother, see: Isa 7:14,Mat 1:18-29,Luke 1:26-34 speak of the Mother, the Human Nature of the Messhiah. The Devine Father of Spirit, see: Mat 1:18,Luk 1:35

We agree the the Holy Ghost/Spirit is GOD there for JEHOVAH, since God is spirit right. see: 1Ki 8:27,Psa 139:11-12,Jer 23:21-27,Joh 4:24,Act 7:48-49,Act 17:24-28,

We see by the Father whose name is Jehovah is God and He has a son by a human girl,a virgin. The egg is human. the sperm none! but by the Power of God: Jehovah in his role as HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT. The HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT is the Father.

We can conclude that the son will be both man fully and Fully God.
God: Jehovah, manifested in the flesh.
John wrote:Joh 1:14
Paul wrote:Rom 1:3,1Ti 3:16

3. "and the government shall be upon his shoulder:"

This Child will have all authority: See: Mat 28:18
King’s Birth: Matt 2:1-6,Luk 1:31-33;
God’s Kingdom:Luk 17:20-21,;
King enters Jerusalem:Luk 19:32-38,;
When asked:Luk 23:3,Joh 18:37,Joh 19:21;
Nathanael declared it:Joh 1:49,
Paul recognized him as Lord:Act 9:3-6 who a pharasee grounded in Deu 6:4,Deu 32:39, and the writtings of the prophets such as Isaiah: Isa 44:6-8,Isa 45:2-6, Isa 45:21-24,
Isa 46:8-9,
Paul wrote: 1Co 8:4-6,Eph 4:4-6,1Ti 2:5-6,
James wrote:Jam 2:19;
John writes in Revelations of ONE thrown in heaven:Rev 4:2-3,One King:Rev 15:1-4,Rev 19:10-16.

4."and his name shall be called"
These names will idenitify the Messhiah

A. "Wonderful," Hebrew means "miracle" See Isa 7:14
This child will work miracles: The healings, casting out demons, raising the dead, feeding vast crowds, control over elements and forgiving sin. see Psa 40:5,Psa 78:4,Psa 107:8,Psa 107:15,Psa 107:31,
Psa 111:4,Psa 119:129,Psa 139:6,Isa 25:1,Isa 28:29,Mat 21:15,Act 2:11,

B. "Counsellor, These verses speak of the counsel ofthe LORD/JEHOVAH"Exo 18:19,Jos 9:14,Jdg 18:5,Jdg 20:18,Jdg 20:23,
1Sa 14:37,Psa 16:7,Psa 20:4,Psa 33:11,Psa 107:11,Pro 1:30,
Pro 8:14,Isa 5:19,Isa 11:2,Isa 19:17,Isa 28:29,Jer 23:18,Jer 23:22,Jer 32:19,Mic 4:12,Act 20:27,Eph 1:11,Heb 6:17,Rev 3:18

TSK see:Isa_28:29; Zec_6:13; Luk_21:15; Joh_1:16; 1Co_1:30; Col_2:3;

C. "The mighty God,"

mighty in reference to a 2) strong man, brave man, mighty man and God in reference to deity= God, the one true God, Jehovah See:,Isa_10:21,1Ti 3:16,Tit 2:13 We have the two natures of Jesus man and God

TSK: See:Isa_45:24; Isa_45:25; Psa_45:3; Psa_45:6; Psa_50:1; Jer_23:5; Jer_23:6; Joh_1:1; Joh_1:2; Act_20:28; Rom_9:5; Tit_2:13; Heb_1:8; 1Jo_5:20;

D. "The everlasting Father," Same Child be the "everlasting Father"
Jesus claimed many time that he and the Father are one. In other words one in the same. See: Joh_10:30; Joh_14:9

TSK see: Isa_8:18; Isa_53:10; Pro_8:23; Heb_2:13; Heb_2:14;

Or are there two Fathers?

E. "The Prince of Peace. "

JFB: (See on Isa_9:5; Gen_49:10; Shiloh, "The Tranquillizer"). Finally (Hos_2:18). Even already He is "our peace" (Luk_2:14; Eph_2:14).

TSK See:Isa_11:6-9; Isa_53:5; Psa_72:3; Psa_72:7; Psa_85:10; Dan_9:24; Dan_9:25; Mic_5:4; Mic_5:5; Luk_2:14; Joh_14:27; Act_10:36; Rom_5:1-10; 2Co_5:19; Eph_2:14-18; Col_1:20; Col_1:21; Heb_7:2; Heb_7:3; Heb_13:20;

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2) Was Jesus praying to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane?

This is the human nature in submission to the devine nature which is Jehovah.

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3) If Jesus’ will and the Father’s will were identical, then why did Jesus express the desire to escape the cup but resigns Himself not to His own will, but the will of the Father?

By Human nature the body does not want to die. Jesus in his humanity was spotless with out sin and did not want to take on the sin which would seperate the perfect human nature from that of God. This gives a new light to Pauls words: For wages of sin is death. As a sinless man Jesus could live forever! He takes on the sins of the world, past present and future, thus fulfilling the law and its reward death.
Yet the Human flesh nature was brought into perfect submission to the Godily nature.
To see the two natures of Jesus is no different then we as saved children with the Holy Ghost in us. Our human flesh nature is at war with spirtual nature we have. This Paul wrote about in his letter Romans. We try to follow Jesus’s example of complete trusting submission.
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4) Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now (Col. 2:9), then how do you maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit, who of course does not have a body?

He does have a body, that of the human glorified body of Christ: Paul did write that God manifested himself in flesh and this entire lesson proves that.

Why the omipresence of God. If he is not then we believe a lie.
Solomon recognized this:1Ki_8:27;2Ch_2:6; 2Ch_6:18
Isaiah Isa_66:1; Paul:Act_7:49 ;Act_17:27-28
David: Psa 139:7-13
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5) If God is only one person, why did Jesus say in John 14:23, "If a man love me, he
will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." If God is only one person, why does Jesus say, "we"?

From" Oneness of God"Chapter 8
A number of times Jesus referred to the Father and Himself in the plural. These passages are in the Book of John, the New Testament writer who more than any other identified Jesus as God and the Father It is wrong for anyone to suppose this plural usage to mean that Jesus is a separate person in the Godhead from the Father. However, it does indicate a distinction between the deity (Father) and humanity (Son) of Jesus Christ. The Son, who is visible, revealed the Father, who is invisible. Thus, Jesus said, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also" (John 8:19); "The Father hath not left me alone (John 8:29); "He that hateth me hateth my Father also" (John 15:23); "Now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father" (John 15:24); and "I am not alone, because the Father is with me" (John 16:32). These verses of Scripture use the plural to express a consistent theme: Jesus is not just a man, but He is God also. Jesus was not an ordinary man as He appeared to be outwardly. He was not alone, but He had the Spirit of the Father within Him. This explains the dual nature of Jesus and reveals the oneness of God.
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Conclussion: Jesus walked this world was both man and God. He was God Jehovah manifested in the flesh, who step down off his throne, stripped himself of power and glory, and became a common member of his creation, man. Many seperate this one fact" he was man" and only recognize the devine.
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AOC,
I answered your questions . Can you answer mine?

1. Did Jesus Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father’s agent in conception – a process they compare to artificial insemination!

2. How many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4).

3. If Father and Son are co-equal persons,
Why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

4. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, How can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

5. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).

6. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, what about other verses of Scripture indicating the inequality of the Son and the Father? (John 8:42; 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3).

One last Statement:
Mono means One, while tri means three.

They are not the same no matter how you may insist so.

Last Question: In which verse and in which book of scripture is the word trinity found?

If not then which Greek or Hebrew word translates to three in one or trinity?

I can point to numerous books and verse’s that state "one."

May the Lord Bless You
with knowledge and wisdom
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t8,

Bless you t8 for saying we can agree to disagree.

You brought up the verse:***********
Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

From a Oneness point of view we would have to assume that When God appears as the Father he knows when he will come back to earth as the Son and when he appears as the Son he doesn’t know until he changes back as the Father.***********
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By now you have read this entire post. If you studied it the major theme is the dual nature of Jesus Christ while he walked on this earth. That nature was fully man and fully God. The God nature within kept things hidden from the human flesh nature of the Son. There for no contradiction.
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t8 you wrote:*****************
To conclude I think that both the Oneness and trinity doctrine are the mind of man and the mind of man always leads to division and we all know that a Kingdom cannot stand if it is divided. Of course Satan knows this and he concentrates alot of effort in causing division amongst God’s people. It is even prophecied that many will turn away from the truth and turn to doctrines of demons in the last days.
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You speak true words concerning tradtion. When I speak or others speak of oneness , we do so with a deep belief in the principle statement:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

So anything in doctrine, philosophy or idea which states otherwise is a lie and a counterfiet.

If a reader reads a contradiction in the scripture , who is wrong? The scriptures or the reader? If there is confussion who is the author? So any teaching/ doctrine must remove all contradiction. true + true=true

The majority of the world is trinitarian buying a lie. The truth is there is one God and his name is Jesus. No other. The titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost are roles/ manifestaions of the one God. All three can exsist at the same time by his onipresence and his devine power.
As Paul wrote:
Col 2:9 For in him( Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

t8 what does Paul mean by" all"?

What is the purpose of God’s devine Word?

Jesus said:
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

The Author of Hebrews wrote:
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

A CONTRADICTION IS A LIE. A CONTRIDICTION IS CONFUSSION. SO WHO IS THE AUTHOR?

May the Lord Bless you with His Truth.

[Oneness]

AOC,

I will open a new Topic of the Oneness of God. I hope to take a step by step approach. I asked a specific question:
AOC,
You have not answered my question which I breakdown now into seperate parts:
1) When was the doctrine first taught?
2) Who taught of a trinitry?
3) Where was the trinity taught?
4) Finally in your words what is the trinity?

Please do not use biblical refertences till you can answer those questions. Why I make this statement is that the Doctrine of the Trinity is speculation. The trinitarian Protestant theologian Emil Brunner has stated,

"The doctrine of the Trinity itself, however, is not a Biblical doctrine and this indeed not by accident but of necessity. It is the product of theological reflection upon the problem….. The ecclesiastical doctrine of the Trinity is not only the product of genuine Biblical thought, it is also the product of philosophical speculation, which is remote from the thought of the Bible." Brunner, Emil. The Christian Doctrine of God.(pp. 236-239). This statement taken from David K. Bernard and Loretta A. Bernard’s book,"THE ONENESS OF GOD".

The important words here IS NOT A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE!
also: Product of philosophical speculation!
Also: Is remote from the thought of the Bible

The Bible which is the WORD of GOD. The Word being his thoughts!
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Found at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/
click on "Pentecostal Home Page Tree of Documents " to access.

This Book well answer any questions you may have on the topic.
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The Doctrine of the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine as Mr. Brunner states, then it must be a product of the human mind, a speculation, an invention,there fore a tradition. The Lord stated that by our traditions we make Void the Word of God:

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

IT IS WRITTEN:
THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION.

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

IT IS WRITTEN:
FOR LAYING ASIDE THE COMANDMENT OF GOD, YOU HOLD THE TRADITION OF MEN.

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

IT IS WRITTEN:
FULL WELL YOU REJECT THE COMANDMENT OF GOD, THAT YOU MAY KEEP YOUR OWN TRADITION.

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

IT IS WRITTEN:
THE COMANDMENT:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Jesus himself reaffirmed this in the Gospels:(Mat_22:37-38; Mar_12:29-30; Luk_10:27)

IT IS WRITTEN: concerning the heart/ways/thoughts of man:

Psa 10:3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart’s desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

Pro 14:14 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself.

Pro 19:21 There are many devices in a man’s heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.

Pro 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

Deu 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Pro 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

Job 24:13 They are of those that rebel against the light; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof.

Job 34:11 For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.

Pro 2:15 Whose ways are crooked, and they froward(deceitful) in their paths:

Job 34:27 Because they turned back from him( The Lord), and would not consider any of his ways:

Pro 2:15 (Man’s) Whose ways are crooked, and they froward ( deceitful) in their paths:

Pro 5:21 For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him (Jesus) the iniquity of us all.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

The Doctrine of a One God rings thru the Old Testament! Does God Change? The Trinity doctrine states there are three persons( three distict personalities), seperate persons Acting as One, which is called God. This is a triad, This is Tritheism. This doctine is contradictory to ONE GOD.

I have provided the following term from
David K. Bernard and Loretta A. Bernard’s book,"THE ONENESS OF GOD".

Definition of :

Tritheism:
Belief in three gods. As such, it is a form of polytheism. Advocates of trinitarianism deny that they are tritheists; however, trinitarianism certainly has tritheistic tendencies and some extreme forms of trinitarianism are tritheistic. For example, any belief that there are three self-conscious minds in the Godhead or three eternal bodies in the Godhead can properly be called tritheism.

AOC We must define the terms before we can properly discuss the subject:

[Oneness]

Ambassador of Christ,
Due to my work schedule tomarrow I can not reply at this time. I want to give your post its due consideration. I will make my reply monday. I have to go immediately to work after worship today. I just finished a 10 hour shift and I can not reply in detail to night. I would like you to use a Strongs Concordance and relook over:John 14:23 and see if it was correctly translated.

I might suggest this free download: e-sword found at:
http://www.e-sword.net/
This is a fantastic program a must for a student of the scriptures. It is free! Like having a pastor’s library at your fingertips.

Tired so I will see you later ,

May the Lord Bless you with knowledge and wisdom

[Oneness]

t8 and Others,
I would like to ask one question. Before I do I need to clerify a point. The doctine of the tirinity is not biblical in accordance with those stated in Hebrews :

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

The teaching of the trinity is not mentioned.
The author states that these are the doctrines of Christ.

My question is: when was the doctrine first taught and by who and when?

For descussion:

As to the doctrine of faith towards God:

The Corner Stone of the Jewish faith:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Is this a contradictory statement in the light of trinity doctrine?

Here is another:

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Here the LORD states the is no one else. The use is I not we.

The word" LORD" is used instead of the name in:
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Only three other times it is used.

The Name of God is JEHOVAH instead of writing this name the scribes used LORD.

This leads to another contradictory situation.
Jesus commands his disciples:
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

What happens Peter either disobeyed or obeyed:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In every instance of baptism in Acts is done in the Lord’s name. Jesus or Jesus Christ. The is no insident in which anyone was ever baptised in the "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

We know the Father’s Name is JEHOVAH
We Know the Son’s Name is JESUS
What is the HOLY GHOST’s name?

Holy Ghost……………..
Holy Ghost is God’s spirit and God is spirit right?
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

there are 31 verse in the OT in which this is used:

Holy spirit is used 7 times in the OT and NT

1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Holy Ghost is Used 88 times .

There fore Holy Ghost is JEHOVAH.

Jesus which is Greek fron the Hebrew Joshua means:
JEHOVAH SAVES or JEHOVAH SAVIOR

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

Isa 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

God is the savior.

Finally
Peter said:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
That name is Jesus/ JEHOVAH SAVIOR/ LORD savior.

The teaching of the trinity does not testify as such and is full of contradictions. OR does the WORD contradict itself?

One other interesting fact the word, "name", onoma in the Greek takes it singularity or plurality from the context of a sentence. The NT Uses: The sinular is used 184 times in 170 verses , while the plural form names is used is only 12 times in 11 verses.

In Mat 28:19 name is used as a singular name not plural names. It is a Name which encompasses the different relationships of God to mankind. There is no spliting of personality but a splittng of relationships.

It is by that name we know the Father, by the same name we know the Son, and by that same name we know the Holy Ghost. Which is Jesus.

The trinity splits the relationships into seperate persons. There fore denying Deu 6:4. Which leads to a Holy family including a Queen of Heaven, Mary.

This also denys an omnipresence of God. One who can be three places at once as in:

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

God’s omniprescence

1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in ####, behold, thou art there.
Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Psa 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
Psa 139:11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

From my understanding of the doctrine of the trinity is of man and a tradition of man which makes void the Word of God.

[Oneness]

Hi all,
I am new here and I am very interested in the topic of the subject of the Trinity. First I must qualify myself:
I am a Oneness believer and I see the trinity as a doctine of men which voids God’s Word. You may ask what is a Oneness Believer?

1.) I Believe in one God as stated in Duet. 6:4 and his name is Jesus.
2.) The titles , Father , Son and Holy Ghost are manifestations of his relationship with mankind.
3 )The Bible is the Word of God and does not contradict. If there is a contradiction it lies with the reader.
4.) The Gospels are the foundation of the New Covenant which speak of the life, teachings , the sacrifical death and resurrection of Jesus, the Christ.
5.) The Book of Acts are the actions of faith and obedience of Jesus’s Disciples to carry out his commission in Matt 28:19, and salvation is first preached, starting with Acts 2:38.
6.) The Epistles to the Churches are letters of instruction to esablished Churches and believers., not to unblievers.
7.) Revelations foretell of Jesus’s return.

My foundation:
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

LORD used here is substituted for Jehovah
Jehovah: I AM, the self exhisting one.
Please excuse me if I use this form used in the KJV.

Jesus is Greek for Joshua. Joshua in Hebrew means Jehovah Saves or Jehovah Savoir. It is by this name we know Jehovah, God.

This form well help me explore his truth and make it more complete to me as a believer if this leads me to be be persuaded to trinitarian view so be it.It is the Lord’s will.

Vines:Belief, Believe, Believers
<A-1,Verb,4100,pisteuo>
"to believe," also "to be persuaded of,"

My testamony is this:
For those who do not know me , my name is Larry. I was reborn a year ago this Febuary. Later I well write the long version. I can be long winded in my testamony so I well give the short version:

By the reading of the word and preaching of the Law, I repented,baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, and recieved his Holy Spirit as preached by the Apostle Peter in Acts 2:38.

I first hand to be convinced that:
1. I was condemed under the Law and I had broken it.
2. I have been running from God all my life and it was time to stop.

In 2000 I had started to fell the grip of sin in my life mainly thru this media. What was happening I was enslaved by the crime of adultary thru pronography. My mind and my heart was making me sick spiritual and physicaly. I thought I had converted years ago, false feel good conversions. Even then God had his had on my life.

My wife was right: sorry says as sorry does. This had to do with other matters in my marriage. In the past I was like that dog our Lord claims returns to its vomit.

I rasied my Granddaughter and she has always been questioning and looking for God. I only took her to what ever Church was near for Easter. I personally did not want to confront the Light. Well she started going to a UP Church. A family was taking her for about a year. She never preached to me, thank God. I would have bitten her head of if she had then.

I had made a promise to my self years ago I would only enter a church for two things, weddings and funerals. As for me to kneel, unthinkable. If God and I was to have a relationship it was to be on my terms.

I had past coversions but nothing stuck. I would read the Bible and when it got personel, put it away. My nature had not changed. I sought understanding thru my native heritage. This gave me some peace but I still hungered for something. I hated inside. I hated God, I keep saying in my deepest of hearts, I did not ask to be born, Why am I here! The answer I keeped getting was: Why Not! The satisfaction I sought, I was not to find in sex, drugs, alcohal, tobacco, sports, recreation or work. Take it from me I looked.

So I decided to try something: I prayed , I was in my car and I simple asked him at a stop light. God do you want me to go to my granddaughters church, if so give me a sign. A picture of an eagle in what ever form will be it. The light Turned green and behold an eagle on the back of the truck in front of me.

I asked I got answer so I went: The first two Sundays I stormed out of the church with angry in hy heart. I decided I was going to hang in there. I am a recovering Alcohalic then( I am free now) and I put to use my AA exspirence and decided 90 Church meetings. Well things happened faster then I thought.

On Feb 12, a Momday at 5 am I suffered a heart attack. While leaving work on a gurney I remember Romans 8:28 ,I prayed: Lord, The time for deals are ove. Any deal I had made in the past I never meant anything by them and I used you Lord to get out of trouble. You where a conveince. Now Lord I am tired of running, What ever you want is OK by me. If ya want me in a pinebox so be it. If you want me out on my two feet so be it. Your well be done. This life is yours do with it as you think best .

I felt a peace come over me and 10 hours later I left that hospital on my own two feet. The Doctors could not find antthing wrong with my heart. I was healed!

On Feb 18th My Pastor was preaching on Jonah and the Law and how we keep getting worse and the wrath and judgement to come. I went to the alter and kneeled with tears. I asked tobe baptized that night. Will Malysian brother and sister reported to us what missionaries where doing in there country I received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of the utterence of tongues.

From that night my life has not been the same.

Glory the Jesus Christ the author of my Salvation

I have come to know the true grace of his mercy: At 16, I hung myself and he sent my brother to cut me down. At 26 I had a bleeding ulcer or a type of rupture on Hollween. The next day I went to work and then a hospital . I was told if I had been an hour later I would have been dead. Then this heart attack. The Lord my God could have required of me my soul anytime and taken me in my sins: His grace and mercy he stayed his hand. I thank him ever day.

In conclussion Ray Comfort is right the Law must be preached: it leads to the Salvation of the Cross. My Lord , my God took my punishment: He bore every blow that should have been laid on my back and my death on that blessed tree. I was to hang there justly not him. That is true Love of a God, who at anytime with a word, could destroy those who punished him. His love stayed his course, love held him not nails. Love like that not even the grave could hold. Three days later He arose! I am free to serve Him: Jesus Christ.

Oneness

PS if anyone wants more info on a Onesness denomination please e-mail me.

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