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Quote (Baker @ Sep. 30 2010,07:47)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 29 2010,17:30) Hello every one! I thought I would visit my favorite thread to see if there were any new revelations on the subject. I hope every one is well and happy.  As for me, I've taken on a few different jobs and am currently writing a book for Arcadia Publishing Co (their Images of America series.) I've had the opportunity to visit various churches/faiths and they have all been glorious in their own way.  I've learn to appreciate all faiths.  I confess that I find the Catholic church to be the most fascinating.  It's also the most complex.  Still, I do not buy all the Mother sells for a dollar…but it sure is interesting. My love to you all.  Press on! Mandy Well Hello Mandy!  Good to hear from you….So you been in the Catholic Church and find it interesting/ Wow, I sure hope you would not join them.  You remember that we were Catholics until Georg was 46 and I was 45.  The Mass is the abomination speaking of in the Bible.  The Mass is a sacrifice for sin.  Christ died once for all times and not just then.  And then there is Maria and the Rosary.  Repeating the Our Father over and over again.  I back then started a Woman Organization and they also believe that Gay's should be allowed to be Catholics.  Only one time right after we left did we go to one Church and to me it was eerie, very eerie and I will never again go there…..Also the way they worship the Pope, He has on His Teairra in Latin that add up to 666.  The rest you can see yourself…..Sorry to give yous such bad taste about them, but I needed to do so……. Wish you all the best and congratulation on your Book.  Georg too has written one……Are you stricken around or are you just visiting?   It's been interesting around here.  Nick left, but He is also on Face Book and He is doing great….Having a good time and rest.  We have two new Moderators.  i know one is Mikebol64 hope I spelled that right. I just call Him Mike and His theology line up with mine….Peace to you Irene

Sis,

Good to hear from you, too. No worries – I haven't run off and joined the Catholic Church. I doubt that I will ever join a church again. It's hard for me to subscribe to any one way of thinking anymore….there are so many theories to choose from. Just take a look at our board, here.

So Nick finally gave up on us, huh? Well, God bless him. He did put in the hours… To his credit, he encouraged me when I was down and I do believe the man prayed for me. I wish him well. And I wish the new Mods well.

I probably won't be back for a while again…just passing through.

Love to you and Georg and all the other Heavenneter's from back when…

Love,
Mandy

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Hi bro Kerwin,

Just stopped in again quickly and saw your thread.

My prayers are certainly with you – you are a dear man of God and I pray that you will be well in body soon.

Much love,
Mandy

[Not3in1]

Hello every one!

I thought I would visit my favorite thread to see if there were any new revelations on the subject.

I hope every one is well and happy. As for me, I've taken on a few different jobs and am currently writing a book for Arcadia Publishing Co (their Images of America series.)

I've had the opportunity to visit various churches/faiths and they have all been glorious in their own way. I've learn to appreciate all faiths. I confess that I find the Catholic church to be the most facinating. It's also the most complex. Still, I do not buy all the Mother sells for a dollar…but it sure is interesting.

My love to you all. Press on!
Mandy

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Hey bro's and sister's,

Just thought I'd drop by (in one of my fav threads) to say, hello! I don't participate here anymore but I stop by now and then to use the Bible look up feature on the home page (thank you, t8!)

It looks like the debate is alive and well. Did Jesus exist before his birth? The answer is, of course, whatever you believe and can support through scripture! Which is….nearly every view presented here.

Have fun!
Mandy

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Nick,

Question for ya: does it really matter if Kathi is right or wrong? What if she's wrong about Jesus, will she not receive her reward?

What do you think?

Love,
Mandy

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Bro Adam,

If you are looking for logic you may as well disregard faith altogether.

After all our studying…after all our searching…after all the logic…faith remains. Believing in something we can't see (or fully understand).

Love you,
Mandy

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Kathi,

Thanks for sharing this song. It brought back the good ol' days of being on worship team and those long camp meetings….. Loved those days.

I was encouraged to see you and Nick agreeing to prayer. Very encouraged!!

Thanks for the blessing!
Love,
Mandy
PS: how did the ribs turn out? Yum!

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Quote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2010,21:18)

Hi Mandy: You ask: Quote Moses had God's spirit.  Moses was a son of God.  YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son.  What do you think the difference is? First of all Moses was not conceived of the Holy Ghost in the womb of a virgin.  He was born of the sperm man just like all other men.  He was a prophet under the law of God, but he was faithful in all of his house, but he did not obey the Law without sin even unto death on the cross, and lastly, he had not been born again from the dead. John the Baptist was also a prophet, and Jesus says that of men born of women there is none greater than John the Baptist, but he also had not been born again.  They will be born again from the dead when the Lord comes for the church, but at the time of their ministry, no one could be born again from the dead without the sacrifice of Jesus. Quote Mat 11:11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Love in Christ, Marty

Do you believe that Jesus was only considered a true son, then, because he was re-born from the dead?

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2010,15:24)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 31 2010,14:54) Bro Gene – missed you too!! My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high. Moses had God's spirit.  Moses was a son of God.  YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son.  What do you think the difference is? Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan?  Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON?  I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends.  It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled. No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son.  I've never figured out why?   I do know this for sure:  We will need to be adopted.  Jesus does not.  That didn't come from the Jordan.  That came from birth right. Love, Mandy Hi Mandy, While Jesus was born as “The only begotten Son”, the HolySpirit does indeed make us Son's of God as well! Gal.4:4-7 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Eph.1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Witnessing to the world in behalf of… 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17) Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Indeed!

But my point is that Jesus does not have to be adopted. He already belongs. We must be given the Spirit and be re-born to be children of God.

Did Jesus need to be born-again to be the only begotten son?

Mandy

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 31 2010,16:20)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 30 2010,22:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 31 2010,12:42) Jesus is called “God” in several scriptures and by the Most High God Himself. Kathi, I beg to differ.  In the scriptures you listed, only one place does it seem that God is calling Jesus – God.  And that is in Hebrews (hotly debated). The Father (the Most High God) does not call his son “God” in any scripture that I am aware of.   Please state it. Love, Mandy Hi Mandy, I can see how you can read what I wrote the way that you have.  Maybe this would have been a better way to say what I meant: “Jesus is called 'God' in several scriptures and one in particular by the Most High God Himself.” I would think that being called “God” in Hebrews would fit the one that laid the foundation of the earth.  I don't know why people make such a fuss over considering the Son as our God when He has the divine nature and took part in creating us.  That would be a pretty big plus on His resume in His favor to demonstrate the title is applicable to Him also. Kathi

Hello again,

Kathi, please state the scripture where the Father calls his Son – God.

Are all the versions on board with this translation of scripture? If not, how come?

Thanks,
Mandy

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Bro Gene – missed you too!!

My point was to counter Jodi in her assertion that Jesus became the Son of God at the Jordan – because he was filled with holy Spirit from on high.

Moses had God's spirit. Moses was a son of God. YET when he is compared to Jesus (both sons), we are told that Moses is as a servant over God's house but Jesus is a Son. What do you think the difference is?

Could it merely be that Moses had the Spirit in a non-tangible way and Jesus got a full fill when he was dunked at the Jordan? Is that why one is considered a servant, and the other a SON? I don't think so…… The annointing of holy Spirit does not determine sons, my friends. It determines ministries and callings and works through which God's purposes are fulfilled.

No one wants to believe that Jesus is God's literal Son. I've never figured out why?

I do know this for sure: We will need to be adopted. Jesus does not. That didn't come from the Jordan. That came from birth right.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 31 2010,12:42)

Jesus is called “God” in several scriptures and by the Most High God Himself.

Kathi,

I beg to differ. In the scriptures you listed, only one place does it seem that God is calling Jesus – God. And that is in Hebrews (hotly debated).

The Father (the Most High God) does not call his son “God” in any scripture that I am aware of.

Please state it.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 30 2010,16:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 30 2010,00:06) Hi LU, So you have two gods? Nick, One is God as a Son and one is God as a Father.  The Son follows the Father.  If I follow one, I follow the other too.  There is only one that is God as a Father. Kathi

Oh dear….

Kathi,

Paul tells us that “for us” there is ONE God, the Father.

Other scriptures (I know of one passage in Hebrews only) may say that God, himself, calls the Son “God”….but because we don't find that as a theme throughout the bible, could it be possible that it's a human translation error? Or any number of other possibilities? The reason I think this is because throughout the tenor of the whole bible we are told two things about God. First, that God is the Father, and second, that he is One. There is no mention *throughout the bible* that Jesus is “God the Son”.

Love,
Mandy

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Excellent thread!! I'll have to come back when I have more time and read the whole thing.

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ Jan. 27 2010,05:17)

Scripture makes it clear that the DAY of “Today I have begotten you” represents the day Jesus was at the Jordon and received YHWH’s Holy Spirit. The DAY that Jesus became God’s Only Begotten Son was the day he was at the river Jordon and YHWH’s Spirit descended upon him. The Spirit begets man as a Son of God . Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs–heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Hey Jodi,

And yet we read….

Hebrews 3

3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house.

Certainly, Moses was led by the Spirit. But there is a difference in “sonship” between these two servants.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,09:04)

Hi Not3, Yes but you and LU are not among the confused. Let the dead bury the dead.

Flattery will get you no where, Nick.

But thanks for the compliment.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,08:21)

Hi Not3, There are indeed many called gods. But for us there is one God.

Hi Nick,

But the point is, Kathi can flesh out her theories (backed by scriptures!)

The point to anything is…..anything can be possible. I guess we'll know someday. Maybe not?

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,18:38)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 25 2010,18:04) Bod, Have you read The God Delusion?  Good read – a must for Christians who want the “flip side” to Josh McDowells, “Evidence Demands a Verdict”. Mandy Hi Not3!  Howz it going? I would add God is Not Great, with Christopher Hitchens's argument for the existence of Jesus based on the effort the gospel writers made in inventing things that never happened (the census, for example) in order to make Jesus fulfill what they saw as prophecy. Are you convinced by this McDowell fellow? Stuart

Hey Stu,

I add Josh McDowell into the heap with all the other's whos books lined my shelves for years. They have since been boxed and given to Goodwill (a charity).

I don't listen to anyone now that wants to put God in a box and label it. Nor do I have time for those who are driven to hold onto their faith by fear.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2010,05:23)

Whether you call the son of God “God” or not, I don't think anyone should say that He is not called God at all, and since He is called God by His Father, how is it that anyone dare say that He is not God in some sense of the word. Monogenes theos (John 1:18 NASB) is the only begotten God, or some might say, the only God that came into being.

It's really not our fault for the misunderstanding, right? God says there is no “other” God. No one like Him. Then he calls his son (who came from Mary) “God”. Go figure.

It's confusion piled onto confusion for the simple minded, like myself.

But your explainations have always facinated me.

Love,
Mandy

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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2010,03:33)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Jan. 25 2010,01:53) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 17 2010,14:47) terraricca, You misunderstood my comment.  No where did I say that the Son was God the Father, in fact, I said that the Son was not the Most High God (the Father). I don't think that one has to be a trinitarian to believe that the Son is God.  God is what would be begotten of a Father that was and is God.  He would not be anything but what He was begotten from…He just wouldn't be the same being that beget Him, nor would He be the same age as the one that beget Him…do you see that?  Since He could not be the same age as the one who beget Him, He couldn't be the “Most High God.”  Simple!  Only one “Most High God.”  A Most High God that has a son begotten before time began. I hope you can understand this, Kathi Hi Kathi, Hope all is well with you.  I caught this post and it reminding me of something I saw on TV not too long ago.  There was a show on African bees and how they are infiltrating the hives of American bees. These bees are called “killer” bees because they sneak into the hives and somehow convince the American bees that they are queen bees.  They American bees feed them and care for them.  They even kill their American queen!!! Stay with me here…..sorry for the boring story on bees.  LOL BUT when these African bees lay their eggs, there is no one to furtilize them.  When the eggs hatch, they are clones of their mothers!!!  This produces an even more aggressive strand of African bee.  It's quite a problem. Reproduction requires a mate.  If God alone gave birth to the son, wouldn't the son just be a clone of God?  Not a true son at all?  If you want to use terms like, “son”, then you have to use them in the context for which they belong.  Otherwise you need a new term, imo. Isn't that why Mary was needed?  So that Jesus would be a true son? Love, Mandy Hi Mandy, Nice to see you passing through. Interesting story about the bees.  The realm that God is in is not bound by the laws of nature that He established.  He does things “super”naturally.  He had a son supernaturally…the only Son of God.  The Son of God was around long before He came to reside in the Son of Man.  Mary was needed for the Son of Man part. My opinion, Kathi

Hello again,

Yes, it's an interesting opinion. I've said before that your theory is the most original (and the most interesting) I've heard in a long while.

Take care and hope the family is well!

Love,
Mandy

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