We can only be born once, as Nico pointed out and Jesus agreed (flesh gives birth to flesh).In my opinion, being “born of the Spirit” has nothing to do with water baptism at all.Ephesians 1:13, 14And you also were included in Christ when you heard he word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal,…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Thanks for clarifying.  I went to bed thinking about the “water” and the “spirit” and what it all means.Quote 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into…[Read more]

Stu,Regarding the Ark: With God all things are possible!

Quote (Jodi @ June 26 2008,08:40)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,12:21)Hi Jodi, Should we expurgate from scripture what our scientific minds cannot see and accept?Would that not threaten the integrity of scripture and our faith in it? Demons never were angels-that is not written anywhere.Hi Nick,God inflicts man. God brings evil curses and evil…[Read more]

Irene,I've been following along Jodi's presentations – what part of them do you think is a lie given to her?Thanks,Mandy

So he had no knowledge of his prior life?

1 John 5 – gotcha! But still, it's subjective to interpretation. It is not clear that we are to be baptized by this ref to “water” and blood…..

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,16:50)Hi not3, Jn 1.5John 1:5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.Nick,This explains why we are to be reborn of water?

Nick, We've had this conversation already just recently…..My feeling is that no, there was no “risk” in Jesus giving up his earthly life. You never identified the “risk” that you thought existed? The only potential risk would be if God promised Jesus life after death and then decided to break his word (which Jesus knew would never happen).So…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,16:35)Hi GM, Read the scriptures for yourself.We are one in Spirit and united by submission to the demand of God to be reborn of water.This is your post that started the whole thing.Where are we to be reborn of water?You say, “Spare me!!” What? You're getting sassy now? I love it.Anyway, explain what you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,18:23)Perhaps those who have a caesarean do not qualify?Nick, you can't be serious?  A baby in the womb is in the “water”.  You are a medical professional – yes?   It's just another way to view it. Symbolism.

Quote (Cato @ June 25 2008,22:41)Part of the path is sacrifice, giving up something we perceive as having value for something more.EXACTLY! I certainly couldn't have said it better! Jesus' life had to be worth something here on earth. He had to of given up something of value in order for the sacrfice to have meant anything AT ALL!If he knew he…[Read more]

I just read my post.  I'm getting too tired.  I'm starting to make interesting sentences.  I better head to bed.Good night all!Mandy

Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,18:15)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 25 2008,18:08)Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,17:59)Hi Sis what's the time now, still you are awake?It's 11:10 p.m. here in WA State.I usually stay up late, it's the only time I have to myself.Thanks Mandy here it is 11:45 am dt 25-06-08I seemed to recall that you and I are backwards…[Read more]

t8,Jesus as the Lamb that was slain does seem to receive the same sing-song of praise that is directed to the “one on the throne”. What do you make of this?

Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,17:59)Hi Sis what's the time now, still you are awake?It's 11:10 p.m. here in WA State.I usually stay up late, it's the only time I have to myself.

Ooooooooooo Adam, good point!

10 members online at once (and one in hiding ) wow – that is the most I've ever seen online at once here since I've joined.

1 John 5:7 talks about the three that testify of Jesus. The water, the blood and the Spirit. I've taken this to mean that Jesus was born of the flesh (water), firstborn of the dead (blood) and given approval of his Father (Spirit).So, I agree with you Adam that the “water” is referring to the flesh, imo.Mandy

I believe they were added because they believed…….and then they were baptized. To my memory, there is nothing mentioned about receiving the holy spirit at that time?