The monogenes origin of Christ does not relate to his conception. He is the son of God and God does not share His glory with men. He is derived from God, begotten of God alone, and his conception in Mary makes him also a physical son of God and son of man. **************************Nick, I'm just sitting here shaking my head at this. It almost…[Read more]

It says he is begotten ************************Then I guess the real word to understand would be: begotten.”Procreation” and “Conception” – created; yes.

Would God share His glory in the begettal of a son in His own image?**************************God has glory because he is God.Jesus has glory as the one and only begotten of God.God doesn't share his glory just because he had a Son ——- indeed, not if they are different persons.

Nick writes:Does it relate to conception?No it relates to bringing forth of a child by a mother or a father.*********************************************************Tell me how a child is “brought forth from a mother and a father” if conception is not involved? Surely it cannot be considered a virgin conception if both parents are involved?The…[Read more]

Hi WJ,I don't agree.Hey Tim2, are you keeping track of all the various theories surrounding John 1:1? WJ, Nick and I all have differing opinions on this passage. Three people who seek God daily and desire truth…….interesting, isn't it?

Unisage writes:Show me where they had normal Sexual relationship..************************Luke 1:18 – 24 in part”Zechariah asked the angel, “How can I be sure of this? I am an old man……when his time of service was completed, he returned home. AFTER THIS his wife Elizabeth became pregnant…….”When men leave home on a long business trip, for…[Read more]

Tim writes:I write **** because I can't bring myself to write God when referring to your version of the physical birth of Jesus.*******************************Thanks, Tim, for your honest answer. I will pray that God will set you free from this. God created sex; He is not offended by it and you should be either. His Son was born. Children are…[Read more]

No sketchiness about the sons of God present before earth was created is there? ************************************Nick, these are the angels. Angels are also called the “sons of God” but I don't see how that can affirm your thoughts on a pre-existent spirit son of God (who becomes Jesus) unless you think Jesus was an angel prior to his…[Read more]

Or was he in the Mind thought plan of God? Like John 1:1… ***************In my *sometimes* humble opinion: Yes!

Isaiah wrote:Well yes, you're correct, Yeshua's heavenly Father really was His Father.***************Father = male parent, originator If God is really Jesus' heavenly Father, then the Father gave Jesus his beginning; and that was at birth.Otherwise, you and I have a different definition of “Father.” You write:But I believe He became a Father to…[Read more]

Amazing how you critisize others and you do the same thing!***************************************************Human nature; isn't it grand? Hey, I just wanted to say to all my brothers out there this morning…….you all are an incrediable encouragement to me! Knowing there are men who seek God today; well, it's a huge blessing to me. God…[Read more]

No sketchiness about the sons of God present before earth was created is there?**********************************************If you think one of these sons is Jesus – then yes there is some sketchiness.I will check out 2 Peter in the morning. I'm assuming they saw the glory of the Son of God?Goodnight!

Have you prayed for me?*********************************OK, honestly, no. But I will tonight. I have missed you the last few nights when you haven't been around. I even checked to see if you posted recently. Does that count? I simply believe that Trinitarians do most of the quoting scriptures around here, and it seems to go unnoticed since no…[Read more]

But we know he left behind his glory and wanted to have it restored after death.**************************************************************************We don't know that he left behind his glory. We are deducing that information based on other belief systems. The glory he wants that he “had” with the Father can also be deduced to mean it was…[Read more]

I dont think they even look up the scriptures you list or even care.They seem not to be important to them.Very sad!********************************************WJ, nice to hear your judgemental tone again around here – how have you been bro? Isaiah and I have actually had many conversations that have been wonderful, and YES I have looked up the…[Read more]

I never said that Jesus is His Father. I really hoped you would know my belief on that by now****************Tim, you'll have to be patient with me. Trying to “understand” the Trinity is like trying to make sense of real estate bilaws or something for me. It just doesn't make logical sense, and so it's hard for me to remember all the “rules”…[Read more]

Thank you. Yes, I believe there is another way of interpreting this that would leave Christ speaking of a body that was “awaiting” him, in other words. Because as you and I have been discussing conception, it's impossible for this body to be already “prepared” for him.

I'll bite…..you knew I would OK, what did he empty himself of?

It was “woe for the earth” when this happened. I beleive this happened in 1914.*******************David, this is a hard teaching. It's hard to accept because the bible talks about those who say they know where Jesus is (prior to his return). It sounds like you are doing just that. It's also hard because the bible talks about a physical return,…[Read more]

so you guys think that after untold eons of life as a spirit being, he's going to become human again.*****************David, I haven't finished all of your posts yet, but this caught my eye. Didn't the two angels tell the disciples as they were gazing up at the Lord acsending into heaven – that Jesus will appear again just as they saw him go – in…[Read more]