WJ – exposing your brother? You must be bored tonight, huh?I've actually had some PM's with this M42 (he PM'd me), and he does have some ideas to share. They may not all be scriptural, but he doesn't deserve to be mocked. Goodnight.

I prefer the conception thread, myself. But I know Nick likes the Monogenes and he started the Genno (sp) thread. So….I'm fine in whatever everyone decides. I'm only happy to be discussing this topic as it is my favorite, and I feel, nearly the most important on discovering who and what Jesus is. Happy weekend (our camping trip fell…[Read more]

All of the threads are related.Of course all is possible with God. However, that being said, God also has purpose and specific plans. Just because certain theories want Jesus to be preexistent doesn't mean that he is. Scripture is vary vague on these issues. Conception is not a vague teaching.

For Olive,My answers:1. A “true” mother in this thread is Mary, in my opinion, is Mary.2. 23 chromosomes of her own genes/dna

94………….ah, chucks! Thanks, bro!

I think Nick is MIA……..haven't seen him here in the last 24 hours, which is strange…….maybe he's on vacation?On that note – have a great weekend guys. We're going camping – nothing like a last minute camping trip (along with everyone else and their dog).

Again, 94, WJ – TOPICAL (ha) I feel so important when I say that!

As Nick says: TOPICAL (Nick, where are you? Holiday?)94 and WJ – this is also related to what we are discussing on John 1:1. Nick and I had a pretty lively debate here…..

94, I agree with much of what you are saying. I will try to add my .02 this weekend. WJ, it is clear that what you understand to mean, “come down out of heaven” and what 94 and I believe it to mean are two different things.Can I ask a quick question: why are we posting in this thread? It says, “…in defense of NWT” – isn't there another “John…[Read more]

Maybe you could break them down and give me your understanding of them.Because I do not believe Jesus and the Apostles meant what you and 94 and AP and martian and Unisage believe about Yeshua as a thought or plan, and none of you have presented any credible evidence to this fact.*****************************OK, WJ, fair enough. I'll do my best…[Read more]

This is not a thought or a plan! Its a “He”!************************************Surely God knew his Son would be a “he.” Interesting note here: Men determine the sex of the child during conception (they carry the gene for girl/boy).I've answered a lot of these scriptures given in the conception thread and others. I won't bother going through…[Read more]

Don't you know that it is imperative to theological thinking that everything about God must be somehow shrouded in mystery and mystical ideas so deep that almost no one can understand the nature of God and His relationship to His Son.*****************************************************John 17:3″……to KNOW the only true God, and Jesus Christ,…[Read more]

The problem with your belief system is that it makes too much sense to the common, average, everyday thinkinghuman being.****************************************************EXACTLY! Even a child can understand the gospel this way. Words mean what they are supposed to mean (no hidden codes or messages or need to quilt-together scriptures).

Come on “sour-puss”. What fun would a God that people understood be?********************************Tim, you made me laugh this morning! Thank you, I needed that. Last night was a rough night for me, I confess; and women are generally more affected by emotional things than are men. So, possibly I was a little too abrupt in my posts last night…[Read more]

and his conception in Mary makes him also a physical son of God and son of man. **********************You mean Jesus' “fake” conception in Mary, don't you? What you really meant to say is that when Jesus went through the Mary Factory, he received flesh (and that's all). The pre-existent-eternally begotten (of God only) spirit-son of God got…[Read more]

He truly had a human mother and not a surrogate mother. ************************************************Nick, I don't believe you anymore, I'm sorry. A “true” mother contributes during conception and pregnancy. When you refer to Mary and what she contributed you are merely speaking about flesh. At this rate, Mary could be considered not a true…[Read more]

Tim2, it's interesting how you like to shut me down. You've done this to me before. It must be that I hit something in you that you don't like? And then that's it – you're done and therefore I'm dismissed? It's interesting how you will go on and on with Nick or others – even pounding something so far into the ground that the topic is…[Read more]

Father always generates the Son. *******************************I dislike the term “generate.” It makes the Son sound like a report or something.

Eternally begotten **********************This is extra-biblical language. The bible only says, “begotten.” And yes, Nick – Son of God (a true son). What you are speaking of takes everything out of context that language permits.

Pray tell, why did God need Mary? Just for the flesh…….I'm sorry, there has to be a better answer than that one. That is a hollow answer, imho.