Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,13:05)Hi not3, The first born monogenes Son was sent into the world being conceived of Mary and the Spirit..Yes, I've heard this before from you, thank you. However you are denying what true conception means. According to your full theology, Jesus was not conceived in Mary at all.

When God speaks of his “sons” in the OT he is referring to those he created (angels and hosts).When God speaks of his only begotten Son, he is speaking of a literal Son.If words mean anything, a begotten son requires conception of a new individual.If I am grasping what you are saying correctly, you are saying that God “created” Jesus and then…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,06:59)I do not believe God shares His glory with anyone and His claim to fatherhood in Ps 2 I do not believe relates to sharing parenthood with Mary.Jesus has glory as the only begotten Son of the Father.God has glory because he is the only true God. In this way, God is not sharing the glory that belongs to him…[Read more]

You said that midwifes and mothers bring children into the world and fathers do not (page 10 Philippians thread). Please correct me further if I am misunderstanding.

Quote (kenrch @ June 06 2007,10:31)1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that THERE BE NO GATHERINGS WHEN I COME. NOW if Sunday were a regular weekly worship day then WHY would Paul tell them NOT TO GATHER!Hi Ken,When kept in context I've always thought that Paul was saying -…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,07:03)Hi Not3, That is sexist, in human terms, putting human fatherhood before maternal involvement? What of Mary?”Did not exist” indicates prejudice against learning.You had said that “bringing forth” was the delivery of the child and thus attributed to Mary only, and I thought that was sexist – to leave the…[Read more]

Thanks for the website, WJ. I will look it over when it's quiet here tonight.

I will look at Psalm 2 again, Nick, thanks! I'll be back later….

Have a great afternoon Olive, Nick, WJ, Tim, and all who are here – I'm heading out to do some work (arrrgh!). I'd love to study all day, but at last I have to work a little……

Ha – Olive – certainly no offense. I was just commenting that there are certain little catch-phrases that people like to use. When you are here long enough you pick up on these little sayings that people like to use

I see where you get your understanding.But how can they be “born”?

I read it simply as it is written.Proceed = come forthCome = originateOriginate = beginning or derivation from a sourceBeginning = start or come into beingSource = point of origin, providing what is neededEssentially, this passage in John 8 is describing John 1:1 – Jesus had a beginning, a start, and his origin is God who provided what was needed…[Read more]

Can you tell me where I might find the word “hypostasis” in the Bible?Who are you to judge God's children, huh? Jesus is not “just” the offspring of God and Mary – by saying that YOU have insulted God and his Son. Tim, you may not realize how hot the water is that you are in now…..it's been heating up slowly over time……..soon you will be…[Read more]

Actually, it did work on the few I just looked up. I'll try to post them later tonight as I have to go meet a client soon.

Quote (olive @ June 06 2007,06:21)Kiss the Son.psalms, something there, second time I heard the verse today.It's a favorite along with “Come out of her!”Ha!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,06:20)Hi not3, I love being proven wrong as my search is for truth. What does firstborn mean to you?Ah…..I smell a trap coming on! See, I know you a little now, don't I? We are also considered to be “firstfruits” after Jesus…..and yet we have not followed him in resurrection YET. I know you don't like…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,06:15)Fathers beget but do not bring their children into the world.Your being silly now, Nick. What does “bring into the world” mean to you? The actual DELIVERY of the child? It can mean more than that, of course. To bring into existence is the work of both male and femal. I believe this is what the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,06:14)You are not correct. t8 shares my views on this and it would not matter if none did as truth matters more.Well, I'm sure that is why you are friends and why you both are responsible for the success of this site. But it doesn't make your belief truth. Because there are only two of you that belief it, it…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,06:03)Midwives bring children into the world as do mothers.I would say this is a somewhat sexist remark.Fathers also bring their children into the world.Your remark is almost like saying, “It's womens work to cook the meal and a man's job to provide the meal.” But who “brings forth” the meal? The man who…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2007,18:09)Hi Not3, You mean God played midwife?No of course God didn't deliver the baby Jesus, he Fathered the baby.Did all of your children exist before you fathered them, Nick? Why should Jesus be any different?Why would God want his Fatherhood to be any different from yours? He wanted a legitimate Son. Not a…[Read more]