And….Col 1:15…..he is the image of God, the firstborn over all creation.Jesus was Mary's firstborn and God's firstBORN.Also…..In addition to calling Jesus a “man,” Peter called Jesus the Son of the Living God. OK, foundation not shaking anymore….for a minute I thought we were on to something?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,17:28)Hi not3,Our own empty words do not inspire.Give me scripture.Luke 1:26 – 35The holy one will be called the Son of God.2:6,7While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son.

Still…….GOD'S SON (if he be a true son) would have to be a bit more than a man – I mean, come on!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,16:41)H i not3, No guesswork allowed. Scripture says he was a MAN. Scripture does not speak of several kinds of men .Peter didn't say, “…..a divine man, Jesus of Nazareth….”, he said, “….the man, Jesus of Nazareth….”.Oh, dear…….My foundation is a bit shaken all of a sudden.

Quote (Laurel @ July 04 2007,16:31)When we pray, the Son deliveres our prayers to the Father all throught the Spirit.Laurel,We may go straight to the Father with our prayers. Jesus taught us how to pray like this, “Our Father…..”God and Jesus are not the same spirit or the same person. This is causing the conflict, imho.The Father is Yaweh…[Read more]

Hmmmmm……..Yes, makes sense.Um, but my theory has always been that Jesus is a divine man (born of incoruptable seed contribution and Mary); your theory is that the monogenes Son preexisted and then took on flesh through Mary. How do both of these beliefs jive with “If he was born different to us then the powers of God to transform a man would…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,11:40)Hi not3, By the enlivened mind of Christ, not our pathetic minds.Yes, so true – so true.This is why we must renew our minds!

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2006,21:12)Yes Trinitarians on one hand say that Jesus is the son of God and on the other they say that he is also the God that he is the son of.Yet scripture shows us clearly that God is the Father. That is why Jesus is called the son of God, because he is the son and God is the Father.It is simple and God not only revealed it…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 29 2006,07:11)Quote (wind_slasher52 @ Aug. 28 2006,08:11)yes i know, hes the son of God, do i say hes not? i;ve said he is. my point is that you cannot use the matt1:21 because jesus is the only image of the invincible God.well, let me ask you do you believe that the father, son and the holyghost are persons?Hi WS, Saying…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 04 2007,16:08)The doctrine of “Trinity” is not written, and, therefore, it is not given by the inspiration of God.94,Excellent point! I'll remember this one.

YES! The light is beginning to go on above my head! However, instead of Jesus receiving this spirit at the Jordan – why couldn't he have just been born with it?

Chap, I'm glad to see that you are questioning the Trinity and possibly deciding for yourself that it is a false teaching. I am encouraged by your fierce desire to know the truth. Keep reading the Word and praying – seek God with everything that you are.If something doesn't make sense, there is probably a good reason for that…….. The…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2007,05:46)The oldest Gospel that we have is the Gospel of John.John wrote his Gospel between 90-100 AD, but the book of Rev was written around 68 or 69 BC. I believe that Johns vision of Jesus having the name “Word of God” was where he borrowed “Word was God” from that vision.I'm not sure what your source is…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ July 04 2007,01:39)Ephesians 1: 19-23 (New International Version)19 “and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,11:37)Hi not3, Yes it is only by the power of the Holy Spirit of God given eternally at the Jordan- -that Christ is empowered to read the hearts of men.What do you think, Nick, am I way off base in my assesment of Romans 8? Thanks.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2007,10:15)Why is America so vain?Because we're sooooooooooo good-looking!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,11:23)Hi not3, We must put together what is writtenand not filter it through human understanding.I believe that God acts so that we *can* understand.He wants us to *know* him.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2007,10:16)Hi Not3,John said so.Jn1″14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 04 2007,10:55)Yes I agree.I will close down immediately any duplicate discussions from this point on.This has always been the case, but lately duplicate discussions often have pages of posts before I have seen them and I feel guilty in closing them down.I think the best thing to do is to close them down (for more postings). I need…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 02 2007,19:18)Not3,In the Trinity thread you wrote this:Quote (Not3in1 @ June 30 2007,18:33)OK, I'll take a stab at this.1.  The heavenly Father is the only God2.  Jesus is the only begotten of the only God3.  The holy spirit of God – is God himself4.  The Father is the only true GodWhen I read what you wrote about the Hol…[Read more]