Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2008,16:22)If indeed He was born on day one, functioning as light, well, that is His job to enlighten the understanding of others.I am glad to see you write, “If indeed…..” regarding your believed enlightenment from God.  It is always good to keep what we believe we hear from the Lord in perspective.I wish I could…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,07:32)I think this scriptures answers the questions in this threadYes, the value of Jesus' sacrifice was the ultimate salvation of our souls, but the questions currently being asked is what was the sacrifice? What did Jesus sacrifice? You say, “His past glory.” OK, but is that truly a sacrifice when he was…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,07:01)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,04:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,17:47)HI not3, Without faith who takes such risks?Please identify the risk, thank you.Hi not3, Death. Complete loss of control of your destiny. Being taken from a position of power and glory to being an abject subject of low human mockery…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,06:12)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,04:57)Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,03:06)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2008,17:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,14:42)Hi not3, Your own death will be a temporary inconvenience too? You will not be tortured or crucified though.Perhaps.But there are those who have been…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2008,05:19)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 20 2008,04:55)DK and Adam,Please don't hijack this thread – it's about THE VALUE OF THE SACRIFICE!Thanks,MandySorry Mandy,For deviating from the Topic, LO! I am on the topic.Thanks, brother.Let's keep the topic on THE VALUE OF THE SACRIFICE.If you guys find that this is not what you are…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,03:06)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2008,17:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,14:42)Hi not3, Your own death will be a temporary inconvenience too? You will not be tortured or crucified though.Perhaps.But there are those who have been tortured…..There are two points of interest here as far as I can see; one,…[Read more]

DK and Adam,Please don't hijack this thread – it's about THE VALUE OF THE SACRIFICE!Thanks,Mandy

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,17:47)HI not3, Without faith who takes such risks?Please identify the risk, thank you.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,14:42)Hi not3, Your own death will be a temporary inconvenience too? You will not be tortured or crucified though.Perhaps.But there are those who have been tortured…..There are two points of interest here as far as I can see; one, what did Jesus truly sacrifice? And two, if he was indeed aware of his past life…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,11:27)Hi not3, How can a weak man not sin except by grace?He was made perfect.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,11:26)Hi not3, He seemed to be full of grace.John 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Yes, full of grace that he extended to each one of us.But was he in need of grace….two differenct conditions, imo.

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 16 2007,14:52)What a great topic!I have often thought, as I am conversing with Nick/t8 about preexistence – what was the sacrifice of a spirit-son who had been with the Father already, and who had known glory but decided to “empty” himself and become a commoner (for a period of time), and then go back up to his former glory?…[Read more]

Yesterday I was wearing a red tank top and a hummingbird came 2 inches from my chest! AAAHHHH! Maybe he thought I was a flower?

Yesterday I was wearing a red tank top and a hummingbird came 2 inches from my chest! AAAHHHH! Maybe he thought I was a flower?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,09:47)Quote (Not3in1 @ June 19 2008,08:56)When you KNOW, you are not gambling.It's a sure thing.Hio not3, Can you know by your own lights or do you need the grace of faith?The preexistent Jesus didn't need grace or faith.The phyiscally living Jesus didn't need grace either because he never sinned. His need for…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,10:25)Hi not3, Were you there?No being had been offered such a risky proposal before as far as we know.He had submissive faith huge enough to believe in our God whereas one third of the angels chose another god.No other “angels” (was this a slip of the tongue or do you believe Jesus was a preexistent angel?) were…[Read more]

For those that are intersted, this is a good thread and it doesn't take that long to read through it. I believe it promotes some good ideas surrounding preexistence. It's one of those threads like, Conception, that I feel go hand-in-hand with the preexistent idea.Thanks for the short chat Nick. In reviewing this thread, it looks like we've had…[Read more]

When you KNOW, you are not gambling.It's a sure thing.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2008,08:41)Would you die today if it was asked of you since you have the same information he had?He had food to eat that we know nothing about.If indeed this preexistent status is true, then I'm sure he was aware of it. What about all those scriptures that t8 quotes like, “Before Abraham, I AM” and so on. Those all…[Read more]

If I knew that I existed with God and had glory and it was promised to me AGAIN after I died……..where do I sign up?