Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 16 2007,09:17)Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 15 2007,15:42)WJ,YHVH received an inheritence.  A Father doesn't get an inheritence from himself.  You get an inheritence from a Father.YHVH is a Son Just as the other sons of Deuteronomy 32:8-9 are sons.  In fact why do you think this verse was altered in late masoretic texts?  B…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 16 2007,09:13)MS,Let's look at you NT “proof text”, shall we?

Joh 10:33  The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'? Joh 10:35  “If he ca…

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WJ,YHVH received an inheritence. A Father doesn't get an inheritence from himself. You get an inheritence from a Father.YHVH is a Son Just as the other sons of Deuteronomy 32:8-9 are sons. In fact why do you think this verse was altered in late masoretic texts? Because, it taught the unthinkable.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2007,08:24)Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 16 2007,07:25)We agree WJ but from different angles. Correct me if I am wrong but you are saying that the “person” Jesus inherited Israel from the “person” The Father, but they are the same God.  I am saying the Most High God gave Israel to one of his sons named YHVH or Jesus.…[Read more]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 16 2007,07:49)Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 15 2007,13:47)Comparison of John 10 and Psalm 82:Jesus reply in Jn 10 makes far more sense if he is referring todivine beings, because he is making the claim that he himself is divine. If he was merely referring to human judges, then he is simply calling himself a man. I don't think this…[Read more]

I would like to get your impressions on this theology as a whole. I think I have brought up several key verses that imply a plurality of sons who ruled the nations under a Father. Just like the caananites did.Most secular historians who are not bound by a religious belief system agree with my position. (google it) I personally think that the fear…[Read more]

We agree WJ but from different angles. Correct me if I am wrong but you are saying that the “person” Jesus inherited Israel from the “person” The Father, but they are the same God. I am saying the Most High God gave Israel to one of his sons named YHVH or Jesus. Two different Gods. Though of the same substance and all that due to being…[Read more]

Comparison of John 10 and Psalm 82:Jesus reply in Jn 10 makes far more sense if he is referring todivine beings, because he is making the claim that he himself is divine. If he was merely referring to human judges, then he is simply calling himself a man. I don't think this is what the Gospel is trying to say. On the contrary, it is making the…[Read more]

I follow, but many are called father in the bible and in everyday life. The difference is in semantics. a father vs. The Father. a god vs. The God.Here Jesus is called a father.Isaiah 9:66(A) For to us a child is born, to us(B) a son is given;Â and the government shall be(D) upon his shoulder, and his name shall be calledWonderful(E)…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2007,05:15)Morningstar,Have you forgotten Mary?  What use does she have in your theory?  What did she contribute, if anything?  Thanks.I am not sure what you mean. I believe that Mary was the human vessel that YHVH used to enter humanity. Elohim becoming man.

Yes it has hurdles as do all. However, this theology existed in many Christian circles in the 1st century. The Gnostics were one of them. But they believed the God of the OT was evil and that Jesus was a new God sent by the father. I am not suggesting that.Deuteronomy 32:8-98When the Most High (El Elyon) gave to the nations their inheritance,…[Read more]