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[Moriet]

I'm not really worried since this wont apply to me being that i am already in the military More so i am letting people know that this country isnt as free as the government would like you to believe.

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no not that doctrine, basically freewill or predestination.

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Just wondering what people think.

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Google it or read a few links here

http://www.a-voice.org/discern/saddle.htm
http://www.biblebb.com/files/gathw.htm

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The fact that God the Father no one has seen yet this angel was receiving worship from man and as i contrasted normal angels tell man to stop worshiping them because they are like them, but no correction is heard from the Angel of the LORD.

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10 (a) CLAIMS CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR.–
AS

11 Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require a person to
12 be subject to combatant training and service in the uni-
13 formed services, if that person, by reason of sincerely held
14 moral, ethical, or religious beliefs, is conscientiously op-
15 posed to participation in war in any form.
16 (b) ALTERNATIVE NONCOMBATANT CIVILIAN
OR

17 SERVICE.–A person who claims exemption from combat-
18 ant training and service under subsection (a) and whose
19 claim is sustained by the local board shall–
20 (1) be assigned to noncombatant service (as de-
21 fined by the President), if the person is inducted
22 into the uniformed services; or
23 (2) be ordered by the local board, if found to
24 be conscientiously opposed to participation in such
25 noncombatant service, to perform national civilian

Even if you claim to object because of religious beliefs you will still be required to work in one form or another.

BTW thanks for deleting my posts whoever did it.

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Simple, He was there from the beginning He is the Alpha and Omega. I never looked past the middle part of the verse though i recognize that they are different yet one.

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
(John 1:1-2 KJV)

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How could this Angel of the LORD be God when no one has seen God?

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(John 1:18 KJV)

No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(1 John 4:12 KJV)

How do you explain this with the verses of the Angel of the LORD receiving worship? One explination is that this is refering the God the Father because Jesus was seen by man.

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Another angel of the LORD

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
(Genesis 16:10-13 KJV)

Can an angel promise to multiply thy seed?

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And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
(Exodus 3:2-6 KJV)

An angel claiming to be God here and yet is still an angel of the LORD. I doubt that angel would be an angel of the LORD long if it wasnt true. I believe this to be a preincarnate Christ who is claiming again to be equal with God which is just one of many Scripture where Jesus claims that. Same with this captain of the LORD's army

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
(Joshua 5:13-15 KJV)

And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way. But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side. And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again. And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay. Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
(Numbers 22:22-31 KJV)

That is just a small list of them but lets look at what a normal angel does when it receives worship

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
(Revelation 22:8-9 KJV)

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(Revelation 19:9-10 KJV)

And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.
(Daniel 10:11 KJV)

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Check out my thread showing the error of using the NIV to make any sort of doctrine from, here

One of many things is that the NIV calls Jesus and Satan by the same name, would you like to base doctrine off of a Bible that does that?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(1 John 5:7 KJV)

Even if you want to throw out the 1 John verse the next two help to sum it up along with many other verses, just dont trust the newer translations.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
(John 1:1-2 KJV)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(John 1:14 KJV)

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http://watch.pair.com/scriptures.html
http://www.avpublications.com/avnew/content/NABV/nabv_comparison2.html
http://hissheep.org/kjv/a_comparison_of_the_kjv_niv.html
http://hissheep.org/kjv/a_comparison_of_the_kjv_nasb.html

This is a little Q & A session using only your NIV

http://hissheep.org/kjv/niv_bible_test.html

Can God lie?

http://aliveinchrist040801.tripod.com/confused.htm

Removing Jesus' name from Scripture?

http://www.scionofzion.com/niv_hates.htm

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