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[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2008,09:31)

Hi Mandy, You are not a disbeliever. Just checking stuff.

Thanks, Nick. Ya, I've been thinking this too. I wonder if my other account is still active? Ha! I'm just fickle right now, there is no other way to discribe me. One day I'm sure, the next day I'm not. Good grief.

[Mandy]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 28 2008,08:20)

You know what Mandy, I still question why t8 took your posting right in the believers tread away? If you did not deny Jesus being our Messiah? That is why I said what I did. Peace Irene

He didn't take away my posting rights in the “believer's” section, I laid them down. I thought that it was only right to not be included among the “believer's” that Jesus is the Messiah (I guess that is what “believer” means here on this site). The reason being because I am not sure if that is right or not. I am searching it out. Therefore, I wanted a neutral ground from which to operate.

I have to say that I am sorry I can not contribute in the “believer's” area because I have had many questions that could not be asked due to limited posting. Plus, the limitation goes beyond the “Believer's Place” and includes other areas like Prayer and sharing a Testimony! Therefore my contributions have been limited.

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,16:44)

Hi mandy, We must endure. Matthew 24:13 ” But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 1 Corinthians 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 2 Timothy 2:10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him;If we deny Him, He also will deny us; We must hate falsehood. Psalm 119:163 I hate and despise falsehood,But I love Your law. Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes;I hate the work of those who fall away;It shall not fasten its grip on me. Psalm 119:104 From Your precepts I get understanding;Therefore I hate every false way. Psalm 119:128 Therefore I esteem right all Your precepts concerning everything,I hate every false way.

Thank you for this, Nick.

It's finding out what the “false” way is – that is the homework for a lifetime.

Love,
Mandy

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,16:19)

Hi mandy, Really? You know of a better way than faith?

Do I sense sarcasm? That's so surprising coming from you!

Nick, faith and “reasoning together” do not have to be opposites. When God called Abe he didn't say, “Don't question me, just believe!” He said, “Come, let us reason together.”

One can have faith and still ask questions.

It's OK. God can handle it.

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,08:31)

Hi mandy, God sends the Comforter. We are poor servants

Nick,

You are not a poor servant but rather a stubborn servant.

You see the points that are being raised but choose to safeguard the status of what you have come to accept as the “truth”. But when this truth is questioned you say, “Don't question it.” It's almost like you are afraid to question anything at this point in your life? You certainly are harsh with those of us who are questioning.

[Mandy]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 26 2008,17:51)

Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 26 2008,16:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,16:05) Hi mandy, It is not the godless gunman blazing away that is the real threat but the soft shoe philosophy salesman who would pick your pocket of faith. Nick, I know you mean well.  However the things that Cato writes are not a threat to my faith, nor do I see them as purely humanistic.   What has been more a threat to my faith has come from believer's such as yourself, who plainly see the various flaws with scripture and say nothing.  Nor will you even allow yourlsef to acknowledge any part of the concern.  This has made me question blind faith in Christianity.  When I ask questions and I am only told to not ask questions, that makes me wonder?  It makes me lose faith in the unquestionable. Mandy!  I have been very sad ever since you have denied Jesus Christ as your Savior. And now you feel like it is Nick's fault, because He is not positive?  Did I help too? You told me that you have lost faith. That is no body's fault, but your own. We are to prove all things, not our neighbor. Please don't feel offended, but I just had to say something. We make our own decision, and we can't blame others for doing so, Mandy. Peace be with you, I will always love you. Peace and Love Irene

Hi Irene,

First of all, I've never “denied” Jesus as my Savior. I only said that I am doubting and searching the truth out.

Secondly, you misunderstand my beef with Nick. None of my doubting is Nick's fault per se. I have become discouraged with “believers” who, like him, will not address the obvious concerns that folks like me have.

Lastly, you should not speak of being judgemental of your brother's and sisters as you fill that role quite often here. You need only look to the Trinity thread to see where you have (once again) told someone they are “wrong” and why you are right. Regardless, look to the log in your own eye before trying to help me with the speck in mine, please.

And peace be with you, and I will always love you.
Mandy

[Mandy]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 26 2008,19:58)

Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2008,19:04) Quote This has made me question blind faith in Christianity.  When I ask questions and I am only told to not ask questions, that makes me wonder? Mandy, I too have often stated the same.  If I'm talking to someone such as Nick and I repeatedly ask him a question that he can't answer then that makes me wonder and think that perhaps he can't answer the question because he would be exposing his own faulty thinking. But it doesn't make me wonder about Christianity.  It makes me wonder about Nick, (for example.) and what Nick believes. And of course you are to question blind faith.  The Bible does not suggest blind faith. But we must not judge others. Peace and Love Mrs.

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,16:05)

Hi mandy, It is not the godless gunman blazing away that is the real threat but the soft shoe philosophy salesman who would pick your pocket of faith.

Nick, I know you mean well. However the things that Cato writes are not a threat to my faith, nor do I see them as purely humanistic.

What has been more a threat to my faith has come from believer's such as yourself, who plainly see the various flaws with scripture and say nothing. Nor will you even allow yourlsef to acknowledge any part of the concern. This has made me question blind faith in Christianity. When I ask questions and I am only told to not ask questions, that makes me wonder? It makes me lose faith in the unquestionable.

[Mandy]

Bro Samuel [in response to “Have a good testimony” thread where apparently I cannot post – ridiculous!),

I've been touched by the down-to-earth way you post. It's refreshing to say the least.

Hey, let me encourage you my brother, you are not alone. Many folks battle with anger issues and addictions to video games. Many people suffer with ADHD. You just do the very best that you can, you know? You are only one person. Try to focus on your strengths and the things you do well. Most of all realize you are not perfect and try not to compare yourself with others (this will really get you frustrated). Besides, I from what I've read from you – I think you're pretty alright bro! Have patience with yourself.

God is always faithful even when we are not. He has you in his hand. If he can hold all the waters in the shallow of his hand, he certainly can hold you. Trust him. He knows you're not perfect and guess what? He loves you more than you can ever imagine.

Hang in there, OK?
Love you bro,
Mandy

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:41)

Hi cato, Like it or not it is God's way or no way. His ways are written=the rest is vanity.

Yes, this is definitely encouraging.

We are without excuse WITHOUT scripture. Just observing nature and the God's creation let's us know that He IS. With Stu being the exception (Hi, Stu!).

Using our imaginations to wonder about God is not vanity. In fact, it's probably something that pleases our Father enourmously. The fact that we wonder and think about Him…what more could a parent ask for but children that want to know him and please him.

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,06:37)

Hi cato, Humanism? Reason rules over all? Yes that sort of religion is immensely popular.

That isn't even close to what Cato has shared! Look again. Read without judgemental thoughts already in place.

Nick, you banter. It's not helpful. In fact, it's one of the reasons I no longer fully enjoy this site. You put people on the defense and the conversations that follow are not helpful for anyone. Try to first look at the positive of a post before you pick it apart and give contrary advice. Please.

[Mandy]

Quote (Cato @ Mar. 25 2008,22:31)

The OT view and so I think in turn yours, is a very narrow and limited view of the Almighty. I for one, would think the Creator above regret and repentence.

Hi bro Cato,

I've been away for awhile. Contemplating and praying. I've just now read a few posts and it's the same old thing – banter and judgmental attitudes towards one another; trying to prove points rather than patiently explaining and loving. I want to than you for your posts, as they are the only ones that I have read so far that hold any life to them, any hope at all, any real logical view of the Almighty that we hope for. We must be critical and logical – God gave us a brain for such activities.

You have a way of putting both faith and logic together that I really can relate to. Thanks, bro.

Love to all,
Mandy

[Mandy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2008,09:23)

Hi KJ, So the fear that involves the fear of punishment is not godly fear.

It isn't?

There are certainly behaviors I would like to feed if it were not for the “Godly” fear in me of eternal punishment for such “sins”.

[Mandy]

If I'm going to fear something…..I at least would like to know why I am fearing it.

If I bring scripture up for a critical evaluation I don't want it to be said of me that I am not fearing the Spirit who wrote the words…..because how do we know the Spirit wrote the particular words (passages of scripture) that are being discussed? You see my point, I'm sure. There is no getting around this. The answer is that we cannot know for sure which words are which! So why do we have to fear offending the Spirit if we can't know? It doesn't seem logical, or fair.

[Mandy]

But you say those who are holding the scriptures up for public mockery show no fear of the Spirit who wrote them……how is that a fair statement/judgement if you must sort through the various manuscripts to find the one that is the least flawed (if that is even possible).

The bottom line is the written Word is still flawed, it is just to which degree. My question still stands, how do you know which are the words of God and those that are of the flawed men who jotted the words down?

[Mandy]

Hi Nick,

I understand. But the question is how do we determine which words are from God and which were the writings of the not-so-diligent men? Do we rely soley on the spirit of God to show us? That doesn't seem too reliable since the spirit of God tells folks many differnt and opposing things?

You see my direct concern?

[Mandy]

Below is a quote from Nick on a thread where I cannot post:

Hi,
Those who are holding the scriptures up to public mockery are also despising the Spirit of God Who wrote them. They would not do that if the feared our God and His warning about speaking against His Spirit.

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Hi Nick,
I've asked you this before but I don't recall if you answered or not – you say here that the Spirit wrote the Word of God – but what of the known errors? Did the Spirit write those too? My point is, how do we know which words the Spirit wrote and which words man included?

Why should we fear asking and wondering about this when it is not clear? What are your thoughts on the above question, if you care to answer. Thanks.

[Mandy]

Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,08:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,15:11) Quote (kejonn @ Mar. 14 2008,08:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,14:48) Hi mandy, So far such need for knowledge has led many on this site to insult God. Oh, and for the most part this is totally offbase. Most are not insulting God by pointing out the various problems with a human book wrote in the prehistoric viewpoint. That would be like saying you personally hate an author just because you did not enoy the book. Or closer yet, saying you insult your wife by telling her the burnt casserole was not tasty. You still love her the same, do you not? Hi KJ, The book was not sent for our enjoyment but to offer us rescue from the wrath of God. You just proved my point. Mandy, take note: its about fear, just as I said. Try a human relationship based on fear. They call it abuse. Why do you want to view God that way?

Ya, I pretty much fear God, I'm sorry. It's a reverent fear. Mainly because I don't know everything and I could be severely wrong on some conclusions that I come to. I definitely want forgiveness and blessings in my life. And some fear in a parent/child relationship is healthy. It keeps the child on track and away from danger.

But I hear what you are saying and am evaluating what I think about the whole thing. I appreciate your point of view.

[Mandy]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 14 2008,11:14)

Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 14 2008,07:35)  So, somehow I'm not surprised that way back then a women would have to marry a rapist.   Hi Mandy, But would you be surprised that it was God that said she had to marry the rapist? And pay her father 50 schekles. Most of the bad ways that women were treated was directly related to what moses said that God wanted. God said that women were too unclean to go in the temple during the seven days of their period. They were also too unclean for seven days after that. Good grief, they were unclean for half of their life according to God. Tim

All throughout the bible the prophets (including Paul) spoke of women as second-class citizens. They speak for God do they not? Eve was made second and from a rib of man at that!

Who knows anymore, Tim. I cannot give an opinion on how I feel about this. Mainly because I was raised to not question it. Now that I am questioning there are no answers.

Most of the time I'm at a loss.

[Mandy]

Hi Wed,

Welcome. I believe “David” is from Canada here, but I'm not positive.

There are lots of different belief systems here and some really good debating going on at any given time. Have fun.

Mandy

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