Proclaimer,

You said;

If you come into existence then you are created or born from God directly. Is there another way?

Well, I don’t believe the Son “came into existence,” I believe he always was in existence in some manner. He was never non-existent, before he was born/begotten, as I understand it.

Regarding the created man, he DID come into…[Read more]

PC,

You said: You know you are not winning with these objections

Which objections specifically do you disagree with? You neglect to directly address some very important objections. I have posted the same post to you at least three times recently, now Danny Dabbs is posting it to you also.

It looks like you are stumped, maybe hoping it gets…[Read more]

PC,

I do appreciate that you allow opposing view points here otherwise how would anyone get sharpened. I know you also have to block posts by spammers which is good. So, there is some form of censorship that you have to do while you block some “new members” posts due to what you determine as spamming.

What is happening on the main social media…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You said: Once God pronounced His word, the Son left the Father, your term begat, and established Himself engrafted in the heart of the endless spirits emanated from God!

Where do you find that the Son “established Himself?”

In Proverbs 8:23, it is another person that “establishes” (as you use the term) Wisdom, not “Wisdom” itself.

LU

Carmel,

I see where you get the phrase, “I was established” from. Here is another note on that Hebrew word translated as “installed” for Proverbs 8:23:

Niph`al Perfect1singular נִסַּכְתִּי Proverbs 8:23 I was installed (of Wisdom).

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5258.htm

This will be an interesting word to look into more deeply. I agree with…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You said:

Carmel: thanks for the correction!  90% of the posts on heaven net need some kind of correction, I never read any correction from anyone to anyone yet!

I agree that many posts on HN could be corrected in form or grammar, etc. I’m sure mine could as well at times. I edit myself frequently 🙂

Carmel: are you going to do the…

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Proclaimer,

You said: So in a sense, we existed in God too, but we are not God or YHWH.

In what sense did we exist in God eternally, Proclaimer…chapter and verse, please.

Hi Carmel,

You said:

ME: YOU DIDN’T QUITE UNDERSTOOD WHAT I POSTED, I SAID:

I don’t mean to pick on you but I was reading your latest response to me and maybe part of the problem of me not understanding you is partly how you misuse English words and tenses, etc. For instance, that word “understood”  in your sentence that I quoted here, should be…[Read more]

PC asked:

But wouldn’t existence be the moment you are your own person? That would be when you are begotten or created.

Existence doesn’t happen the moment one is born, Proclaimer. Even humans “exist” within the womb before birth for several months. Have you ever seen a baby in the womb of a mother through an ultrasound? Who can say that a baby d…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs

Here is a picture for you demonstrating the plausability of a son being inside a father until begotten from the father, resulting in an offspring that is identical to its father.

This is a picture of asexual reproduction of a cell through the process of “closed mitosis.” Scroll down the page till you see the diagram “B Closed…[Read more]

@Danny Dabbs

You said:

If Christ had always existed alongside the Father, then
that would make them brothers or twins.
Not a real Father and Son.

I didn’t say that the Son always existed “alongside” the Father. I said that He existed within the Father until He was begotten before the ages.

DD: I believe that Jesus was actually begotten by God in…

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Berean,

Thanks for the beautiful, calming music…good words!

God bless you too Danny Dabbs!

@Proclaimer

You have mentioned this over and over so, I am going to attempt to address it.

You said:

Isaac is the son of Abraham, and yes both have the same nature, but Isaac is not Abraham. Different identities.

Yes, I realize this.

YHVH, the Son is the son of YHVH, the Father. They both have the same nature and they have different…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

Are you neglecting to address this post on purpose? I will repeat it here:

PC,

You are correct, Abraham is not talking to the Father. He is talking to YHVH however. Therefore, the person who Abraham is addressing as YHVH, is not the Father but someone other than the Father. YHVH is echad which can mean that YHVH is a unity of more…

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Hi Carmel,

You said this and you use a lot of terms that I don’t see in the scripture:

FIRST AND FOREMOST GOD, BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE, ESTABLISHED HIS SON, HIS GENUINE ETERNAL ABODE, PRECISELY AS

“THE WORD”

I have italicized the words of yours that don’t make any sense to me, sorry. I don’t k…[Read more]

PC,

You said:

I think we can all agree on that. Where you differ is that you think it is okay to call the Son of the Most High as the Most High or the Son of YHWH as YHWH.

First of all, I don’t call the Son “the Most High Father” but I do believe that the Son is the “Most High Son.” Second of all, since I believe that YHVH is the unity of the…

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Danny Dabbs,

Please tell me of a son that is higher than Jesus, the firstborn over all creation. If you cannot, then it would be an obvious truth that Jesus is the Most High Son. Think!

Also, if anyone is begotten, they must have existed in order to be begotten. The whole idea of begetting something/someone is to bring it/them forth from point a…[Read more]

Just as we hope lies are exposed in the government, we hope the lies are exposed on Heaven Net.

There are the deceivers, those deceived by the deceivers, and thankfully, the ones that promote truth and follow the truth. I would guess that most all of us that post on HN regularly,  believe that they sincerely are of the group that promotes…[Read more]

Wow, great video! What is the name of this guy, PC.