Hi gadam123,

You seem to assume that YHVH is one person only, as opposed to two or three persons who are members of a fullness of God called YHVH.

For example,

Deut 10:17 tells us that YHVH is God of gods and Lord of lords. You seem to believe that only one person is both God of gods as well as Lord of lords. Why do you disagree with Paul in 1…[Read more]

Hi gadam123,

You said:

While God the Father is the One called “Lord of lords” in Deuteronomy 10:17 and in Psalms, the New Testament writers use the same title to refer to Jesus Christ. This is the change I am questioning.

Deuteronomy 10:17 doesn’t use “Father” in that verse anywhere. That is your assumption.

Thanks gadam123!

Can you tell me who is God of gods and Lord of lords?

@Proclaimer

You repeat this over and over:

“For us, there is one God the Father…”.

For everyone else, there is a long list of gods from Babylon to choose from.

For you, YHVH is not Lord, just God. If you read Heb 1:10-12 you would see that God the Father identifies His Son as YHVH. YHVH is both God and Lord, Father AND Son.

Mike,

You said:

The word is a verb, meaning an action. The meaning of the Hebrew you quoted is that God took action A before He took those other actions of ancient times (ie: the ones we all already know about, like creating the heavens and the earth, etc.)  So whether “possessed” or “created”, God took action to do that thing before He did the…

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Mike,

You said:

Now if only there was such a thing as a “genitive of subordination” in the Greek language.  But there’s not.  It’s simply the genitive form of “every” and the genitive form of “creature”, ie: of every creature.

I just showed you that there is a genitive of subordination. Wallace is a Greek scholar. https://www.amazo…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.

I told you here:

…Another example, If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

The Son is indeed, by very definition, an angel of his and our God, Jehovah. Btw, verse 4 says he BECAME better than the angels to the extent that the name his and our God gave him was better than theirs.

YHVH the Son, was made lower than the angels when He emptied Himself and became a bondservant. After His resurrection, His…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked:

At what point was Jesus ever lesser than the other Davidic kings so that he had to have God place him higher than them? Besides, since there nothing in the scripture that clearly supports your idea, we’re left with a scripture saying that somebody’s own God placed that somebody higher than other persons – which means he wasn’…

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@Proclaimer

You have not addressed Heb 1:10-12, you talked about Heb 1:8-9.

The Father identifies the Son as YHVH here:

Heb 1:10-12

And, “YOU, LORD, (YHVH, the Son) IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,

AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

11THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN;

AND THEY ALL WILL WEAR OUT LIKE A G…[Read more]

Mike,

See the word “before.”

Mike,

The Father and the Son are one, does not mean one person. Nobody argues this unless they are modalists which I don’t believe anyone here is.

Mike,

You asked:

But the light isn’t above any people living upside-down on the bottom of that ball, right?

The light is above the whole ball.

Another example, If I stick pins straight into a globe in every nation, and put the globe under a tabletop, the tabletop is above the globe and all its pins at the same time, the floor is not above the g…[Read more]

Mike,

For another:

You said: As Kathi will attest, I’ve been arguing for years that those who want Jesus to be the very God he is the Son of do so because they have a personal desire to place Jesus in a higher position than he placed himself.

You have been arguing this but nobody here has been claiming this.

Mike,

For one:

You asked: If you can tell me how God is “above” both me in Arizona and Tater in NZ at the same time, then I might read your article.

If you put a ball under a ceiling light, the light is above the whole ball.

Hi gadam123,

I remember you from back then. I’m glad that you can see that the NT teaches Jesus as God. Did you notice that it also teaches that he is the Lord of lords?

You are right about there being much confusion. That is good that you are seeking to sort it all out. Unity in truth is worth pursuing. In heaven we will see clearly. This side…[Read more]

Mike,

Proverbs 8 does not mention the word “God” but instead “YHVH.” Wisdom is “possessed” by YHVH, meaning YHVH had wisdom there before His first work. Therefore, wisdom couldn’t be His first work if He existed before His first work. Wisdom was and is a member of YHVH, the Unity, and it was through that member that The YHVH Unity created all t…[Read more]

Mike,

From your favorite translation, the NET Bible.

Mike,

Regarding this passage, think of the “companions” as the other Davidic kings:

…8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”…[Read more]

Great post Berean!