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Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
YHVH is our ONE creator and YHVH is God and Lord, Father and Son.
Regarding heaven, yes heaven is above both parts of the world all at the same time.
Any other easy questions that I can help you with?
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Is Jesus “Adam” and also the son of “Adam” in this verse?
1 Cor 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
Can’t the Father and the Son both have the same proper name and the same nature or can they just have the same nature?
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
How about this then, Proclaimer:
YHVH is the particular name of a theos who is the First and the Last, the King of Israel, the Maker of Heaven and Earth, the Redeemer, the Good Shepherd, the Lord of lords, the Savior, the Giver of everlasting life, and the Forgiver of sins.
Jesus is the particular name of a theos who is the First and the Last,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Adam,
Regarding this passage:
2 Chron 7:14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
You said:
The remedy for sin as you mentioned is taken from Hebrew Bible only not my creation.
Seeking the…
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer said:
Clue. He is the image of the invisible God. He is the Word. He speaks on behalf of God. He represents God. The Messenger of God.
You have probably heard the saying that goes something like this:
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, has the name “duck,” is it not a duck?
If the Son of God looks like the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Polytheism?
And denial that Jesus is the son of YHWH?
No to both. The one great God YHVH is both God and Lord, Father and Son, who alone created the cosmos.
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer,
You said regarding Heb 1:10:
If the psalmist were speaking of the Son and if God is speaking in Hebrews 1:10-12, then this adds massive confusion. This would mean that God is quoting the psalmist to say that God the Father is not the creator.
Or it means that the Father created through the Son and the Father is saying what He had the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer:
You said:
So you say that the Father and Son are one theos, so that would make the words “ye are gods” no different as that is a group too.
They are ULTIMATELY one theos because they act together, not independently, as two persons in one governing body. The ones referred to as “many gods” in 1 Cor 8 or “ye are gods” are not ulti…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer
This is what was incorrect:
It simply is saying that ‘theos’ can be applied to one or many.
That is what is not true as well as your “sheep list.”
Lightenup replied to the topic LU/Jodi Discussion in the forum Debates 3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I see that you have been busy. Welcome back. Please tell me how you think “dia” should be translated in Heb 1:2.
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through “dia”whom He also made the world.
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Adam,
You wrote this verse recently as the remedy that YHVH gave for sin:
2 Chron 7:14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Have you been seeking His face? If so, what does the face of YHVH looks like?
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Adam,
I said this:
You admit that even the Jews understand the scriptures differently amongst themselves. Therefore, how can you use the reason that the Hebrew scriptures do not say _______________ (fill in the blank) therefore it is wrong, if the Jews do not even agree on what the Hebrew scriptures say?
Then you deny that you admitted that.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 6 months ago
Adam,
You said: I also believe quite a lot of stuff as a Christian…
The “Believer’s” section is for those who believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah. Everybody here believes that except you and therefore everyone here can post in the “Believer’s” section from what I understand. You however, don’t believe that Jesus…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 6 months ago
Thank you Adam for your reply.
You admit that even the Jews understand the scriptures differently amongst themselves. Therefore, how can you use the reason that the Hebrew scriptures do not say _______________ (fill in the blank) therefore it is wrong, if the Jews do not even agree on what the Hebrew scriptures say?
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Lightenup 3 years, 6 months ago
Hi Danny,
You asked:
Hi LU,
If Jesus is Yahweh, then that would contradict Isaiah 45:5.
“I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5The Bible is a harmony.
So Hebrews 1 has to fit with Isaiah 45:5If you disagree, then please tell me who is speaking in Isaiah 45:5?
If you say the Father and the Son tog…Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Lightenup 3 years, 6 months ago
Proclaimer,
You said: Propaganda again.
Please enlighten us and be more specific as to what he said that was wrong.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 6 months ago
Hi Adam why do you post in topics in the “Believer’s Place” if you do not believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus? I’m not saying you shouldn’t post but that is what the skeptics place is for, right?
Admin, what are your thoughts?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Chosen in the forum Chatroom 3 years, 6 months ago
Hey everybody,
I just finished watching the finale of season two of “The Chosen” and I am such a fan. The series won the 2021 K-LOVE Fan Award. I encourage you to watch it, you won’t be disappointed and you will fall more and more in love with Jesus.
https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen
For the binge watchers out there, you have 16 episodes…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
My suggestion to you is to learn Greek. If you were to understand the word “dia” and how to translate it correctly with a word in the accusative Greek case or the genitive Greek case, you would not be continually trying to tell us that “dia” means “because of” or “on account of.” Dia only means that when followed by a word in the genitive…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Understanding Greek Grammar Brings Clarity in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 3 years, 6 months ago
Proclaimer quoted Origen:
He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos.
I don’t believe that Origen’s explanation that you quoted above is consistent with the “theos” who hasn’t been “seen” in John 1:18 which does not have the article unless we are to believe…[Read more]
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