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Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Adam do you have a list of Messianic prophecies that you believe are truly Messianic prophecies?
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Adam,
You said:
In Hebrews 1, why is Psalms 102:25–28 seen as referring to Jesus, rather than to God?
In the beginning of Ps 102, the Psalmist uses the term “O LORD”
v1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, And let my cry come to You
It makes sense to assume that v 1-24 are referring to God Yahweh.
In v 25-28 he doesn’t use a definitive name. Both the NKJ…
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Adam,
You did not prove that the writer of Hebrews interpreted the Hebrew scriptures wrong with that article. The article agrees that YHVH is being associated with Jesus and it is not condemning that but emphasizing that the Jews did not understand the full meaning of their scriptures and how they related to Jesus as YHVH who laid the foundation…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer,
Your statement that was incorrect and not the trinity doctrine was this:
Thus the substance is the one true God (He) and three persons (they) qualify as being in the club.
Consubstantial means of one and the same substance, essence, or nature, especially the three divine persons of the Christian Trinity.
If your statement was correct…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Adam,
You article should have a reference as to the source of the article so credit is given to the author and so it can be searched out. Please add a link to what you copy and paste in the future. I did find the article here:
The article is not suggesting that the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer:
Nice try but that is not what the trinity is.
Also, nice try on your spin of what Thomas said. I think that Thomas referring to Jesus as the God of himself and the Lord of himself agrees perfectly with what the Father calls the Son in Hebrews 1, YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of the Son’s…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Hi Adam,
You said:
This is purely the interpretation of the writer of the Hebrews, placing Jesus the supposed Messiah above the Angels and even at par with the creator God. He simply copied and pasted the Hebrew scriptures which originally refer to God Yahweh and assigned them to Jesus as if God himself addressed Jesus as God. This is purely his…
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Interesting that Adam’s post does not mention the term “redemption” or “redeem” or “firstborn” yet to celebrate the Passover Moses writes this:
11“Now when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, as He swore to you and to your fathers, and gives it to you, 12you shall devote to the LORD every firstborn of a womb, and every firstborn o…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Hi Adam,
You said: Coming to the irrelevant question, Was Jesus “Lord, Liar or Lunatic”? I think it is a biased question because there can be many other options than these three.
Please enlighten me as to what the other option might be in your opinion.
After you answer that question, please tell me if the Father in the NT is the God of truth, a L…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 4 months ago
Adam,
Was Jesus a liar or a lunatic according to you? Do you have an opinion? You certainly don’t believe that Jesus is Lord. It is a valid question no matter who has asked it before. Please answer.
Thanks, LU
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer:
You said: God has divine nature, but many doctrines argue that divine nature has God
Me: Name a doctrine that says that.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer,
Proclaimer said to Berean: Using that measuring stick, then angels and men are also God. Theos without the definite article just like John 1:1c means a qualitative interpretation rather than a literal one identifying a person.
Using your measuring stick, Jesus is most certainly literally God and Lord.
Notice the definite article where…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer,
I think you meant this comment for me:
Proclaimer: But God is a HIM and HE. A committee of persons with divine nature are not God and would certainly not be addressed as HE or HIM.
LU:Then Israel is not a collective noun because God refers to Israel with the singular pronouns of him and he and the singular noun firstborn son.
Then…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer,
You wrote:
This is not correct. The Bible does not teach this.
LU:Yes it does teach that. For starters, the Bible teaches that the Son is the Firstborn of the God He calls “Father.” Col 1:15
The Bible also teaches that the Son is the exact representation of the Father’s nature. Heb 1
The Bible also teaches that the Father identifies…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Amen Berean, you said
His sonship HAD a BEGINNING but not His DIVINE NATURE WHICH HAD NO BEGINNING AND NO END.
I will add that not only did the sonship have a beginning but the fathership would have as well at the same moment unless there was a son prior to Jesus but that would knock Jesus out of the firstborn spot. The divine essence of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
A father begins to be a father at the moment his son begins to be a son. In regards to God, his essence was eternal and became both father and son at the same instant.
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Mike,
Fyi, John 16:28 doesn’t have ego eimi (I am) in it so you are not comparing apples to apples when you compare to the I am of John 8:58.
See the difference:
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 3 years, 5 months ago
Gene, regarding what you wrote here:
“the human root and offspring of king David “
My response was:
Please show me where that is in the Bible specifically with the word “human.”
Your response doesn’t give me the verse that says that Jesus is the “human root” as you suggest. You did not give me a verse but instead you answer by suggesting that I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Was Jesus Jewish Messiah – What does the Hebrew Bible really say? in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 3 years, 5 months ago
Adam,
I can link you to sites that says that Isaiah 53 is believed by some ancient Jews that it is Messianic. Have you read the book “Lord, Liar or Lunatic” by Josh McDowell?
Lightenup replied to the topic Did Jesus Eat Meat? in the forum Truth or Tradition 3 years, 5 months ago
Hi Miia,
Personally, I am leary of putting that vaccine into my body, I’m leary of the whole China Virus agenda. My husband got COVID a month ago and thankfully I did not although I waited on him several times a day for about 10 days. He’s fine now but he was pretty weak and had a fever for about 24 hours and developed a mild cough.
I can see…[Read more]
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