Hi Mike,

When I read the name Yahweh, I understand it as the God of gods and the Lord of lords to help see the unity of the Father and the Son who act as one. Since I believe that the Father accomplishes his vision through the Son, then they are both involved in the act albeit in different ways, and rightfully both be credited for the act like…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You said:

After all, being the Son means that he was born of the Father and from that, you can easily derive what nature he would have. Further, it wouldn’t be controversial at all.

Seriously, not controversial at all. Just ask those active on HN if they agree that being the Son means that he was born of the Father.

Mike says the S…[Read more]

Mike,

Regarding this post:

LU:  Then the Father (the God no one has seen of John 1:18) said to the Son (the only begotten God of John 1:18), “Let Us make man in Our image (the only begotten God who is the image of the God no one has seen, Col 1:15)…
How do you know?  Why couldn’t it have been the Son saying, “Let us make man in our image”?

A…

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Hi Adam,

Have I asked you if you have read the Jewish Targums? Do you know about them?

Mike,

You said:

 You are free to have your beliefs about Jesus being the very God he is the servant of – but at least be fair about it.  Don’t go out of your way to purposely mistranslate scriptures to force your belief into the Bible.

Compare your bias of what I say to what I actually say:

I will correct your post to say this, look at the diffe…[Read more]

Mike,

In answer to your question, no, physically I don’t cover my head when I pray but I am not opposed to that. Spiritually, I do pray under the covering of who is my head, Jesus.

Regarding Jerusalem as being called Yahweh our Righteousness:

A great person often has a city named after them and obviously they are not the city. The city of…[Read more]

Mike,

Good conversation, Mike.

You said:

So it’s really simple.  Jesus is the son, servant, mediator, prophet, holy one, anointed one, and sacrificial lamb of God.  If “God” is “The Yahweh Unity”, then Jesus is the son, servant, mediator, prophet, holy one, anointed one, and sacrificial lamb of “The Yahweh Unity”.

Actually that and much more tha…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Maybe you could answer the question more specifically.  Who specifically was the speaker saying the words, and who specifically was the speaker saying those words to?

1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we e…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

Please answer this:

You said:

If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

Mike,

You said:

Jesus is never definitively called Yahweh in scripture.

Wrong. The Branch is Jesus who is called Yahweh our righteousness. In Hebrews 1, the Father identifies the Son as Yahweh who laid the foundation of the earth…

 But it is impossible for Jesus to have any of the titles I listed while also being God.

Correction, it is impo…[Read more]

YHVH

The only begotten Son of God is another way of saying the only begotten God.  John 1 uses both for the same person.

Mike,

You said:

Just because another person may also be a Lord of other lords, a King of other kings, or a Teacher of other teachers does not equate them with Yahweh – or make them a part of a Unity of Spirit with Yahweh.

True, however Jesus is also the giver of eternal life, the Lord of all creation, has all authority in heaven and on earth, i…[Read more]

Adam,

You said:

Here Yahweh is both God and Lord.

This is the reason why I am standing against the concepts of the NT on  God and  Messiah.

The OT is talking about two persons as one YHVH God who is both God and Lord there in Deut 10:17. The NT supports that when it speaks of one God and one Lord, Father and Son. It further supports that by s…[Read more]

Gene,

You said:

The trip is in the actual translation of the Greek word, (dia) , it is used in two places in that sentence, that if misunderstood gives a wrong understanding to the whole sentence.

You are the one misunderstanding the word dia, Gene. You have been corrected on this. Go to the first post in the “Understanding Greek” thread and y…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for your post. So you believe in two separate Yahwehs that act as one Yahweh? Is that correct?

Proclaimer,

You said: If you say ‘Jesus is God’. Then in Greek, you are saying that ‘Jesus is the God’ in Greek and that is wrong.

And what if you say Jesus is the only begotten God who was with God the Father in the beginning and through the only begotten God, all things were made.

Is that a correct statement according to you?

@Berean,

Thanks for your response.

I’m interested in how you reconcile your  your view of the two YHVHs do not form one God with these passages:

Deut 10:17

For Yahweh your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the awesome, who doesn’t respect persons, nor takes reward.

Deut 6:4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our…[Read more]

Proclaimer said:

But even if it is communicating that from God another was begotten from his nature, then that would be true IMO.

So you can agree that the Son could properly be called the only begotten god/God whether or not it actually says it in John 1;18, right?

Hi Mike,

Regarding this post:

I thought I was agreeing with you.  You’ve told me that John 1:1 speaks of two gods – one of whom was with the other.  And you’ve told me that the Father is the unbegotten God who can’t be seen by human eyes, while Jesus is the only begotten god who can be seen by humans.  Um… that’s two different gods, Kathi.…

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