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    Mike and Danny,

    Regarding this:

    “If the combo of Heb 1:5 and Sam 7:14 doesn’t equate the persons of Jesus and Solomon, why must the combo of Matt 27:9 and Zech 11:13 equate the persons of Jesus and Yahweh?”

    It seems to me that what is said in Heb 1:5 and 2 Sam 7:14 is demonstrating that both are installed as ‘kings’ not both as Solomon or both…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You said:

    Accepting for argument’s sake that a “god” is a BEING with powers over nature and man (the actual dictionary and scriptural definition), is your Yahweh Unity ONE God (ie: one BEING) made up of multiple persons?  Or TWO Gods (ie: two BEINGS)?

    Since I have proven your definition of god to be inaccurate, the rest of your post that i…[Read more]

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    Hi Danny,

    You said:

    Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2:2; Acts 4:26)
    Jesus Christ therefore CANNOT be Yahweh.

    My answer:

    Yahweh is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. (Deut  10:17) Jesus is the Lord of lords and for us there is one Lord who is not the Father but is the Son, therefore, Jesus is Yahweh the Lord of lords.

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    Danny.

    You said:

    Yahweh is the Father of Jesus Christ. (Psalm 2:2; Acts 4:26)
    Jesus Christ therefore CANNOT be Yahweh.

    Danny, who is the Lord of lords here in the OT:

    Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.

    Danny, who…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You claimed:

    First of all, the word “god” in the Bible ALWAYS refers to a BEING who is thought to have powers over nature and the affairs of men.

    Then asked:

    Show me a scriptural example where this is not the case.

    Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly thi…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You said;

    Actually, it’s tied to Jeremiah in the NT – not Zechariah.

    What actually are you correcting me on? Reread what I said:

    LU: The passage in Zechariah is tied to Jesus as the one who is valued as 30 pieces of silver which ends up buying the Potter’s Field by the writers of the NT, not me. And the one who is valued at 30 pieces of sil…

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    Hi Danny,

    I will address one thing at a time. You said:

    Yahweh is in view in Zech 11:13.
    Jesus is in view in Matt 27:9.
    But that doesn’t equate the persons of Yahweh and Jesus.

    Danny, In Psalm 102, who is credited with the action written about in the part of the passage posted here?

    Psalm 102

    25“In time of old You founded the earth,

    And the…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    The word “god” is an idea, a position, not a being. It is a position that can be assigned or a position that is inherently assumed. In the case of the Father and son, it is inherently assumed since they are of eternal essence and before all things.

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    Mike,

    The passage in Zechariah is tied to Jesus as the one who is valued as 30 pieces of silver which ends up buying the Potter’s Field by the writers of the NT, not me. And the one who is valued at 30 pieces of silver is Yahweh in Zechariah and Jesus in the NT.

    Can you show me where a prophecy in the OT that speaks of Yahweh and is implying s…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    Yahweh is one God comprised of two persons.

    Like one coin which has two sides, each side looks different and represents different things. Each side of the coin needs to have the other side in order to be what it is…a coin of highest value (for the sake of the analogy.) Each side is referred to as a coin. If you see a coin on the ground, w…[Read more]

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    Hi Danny,

    You said:

    If Jesus is Yahweh then Jesus is His own Father.

    If Yahweh is a unity of the Father and the Son and they each are referred to by the name Yahweh, then Yahweh in the person of the Father is the father of the Yahweh in the person of the Son. Yahweh in the person of the Son is not the father of the Yahweh in the person of the…[Read more]

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    Hi Adam,

    Thanks for your reply. How do historians know that there is no afterlife?

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    @gadam123

    Hi Adam I asked this several days ago and I don’t believe that you addressed it, please answer, thanks.

    Do you believe that if you die today that there will be an afterlife for you or do you just stop existing? I’m curious.

    Blessings, LU

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    @DannyDabbs

    Hi Danny,

    Thank you and thank you for your question.

    Regarding your questions:

    As I stated in the OP:

    Sometimes the name Yahweh is representing the Father.

    Sometimes the name is representing the Son.

    Sometimes the name Yahweh is representing the unity of the Father and the Son and has single first person pronouns and sometimes…

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    Mike, I’m going to have my son over for dinner soon and be tied up till later tonight.

    For the sake of this thread, if you are going to be able to understand my view at all, I ask you to put aside your understanding that Yahweh as the God of gods and Lord of lords is only one person, the Father.

    I’m not asking you to believe my view but to be…[Read more]

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    They are two different persons who do not act as two different gods but act as one god together.

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    Let’s try this…

    Let’s assume that the God of gods is one person and the Lord of lords is another (as I understand it) and this following statement is true:

    Yahweh is the God of gods and the Lord of lords.

    If the previous statement is true, then this following statement is not true:

    Yahweh is the God of gods but not the Lord of lords.

     

     

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    I don’t think they are “two individual gods” as if they could be divided as one is god of this and the other is god of that. In the OT, they were the God of Israel together, (not separately or independently) each is his specific role with the Son always under the authority of the Father as a perfect son would be not because he is a lesser being.

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    Hi Mike,

    Where did I say that a Yahweh Unity is “a singular living being” comprised of multiple persons?

    I understand Jeremiah 31:10 to be Israel as the singular masculine pronoun “him” in the passage.

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