Kathi said:Quote Monogenes truly means 'only begotten' and not 'only, unique one' in regards to the Son of God, our Savior.Quote Tragically, many folks have been ensnared in grievous error by insisting that our Lord Jesus, since He was begotten of God, must be given a subservient place to God. This has long been used as an argument against the…[Read more]

REBUTTAL# 10:Mike said:Quote We can dismiss III right off the bat, because we are not debating JW beliefs here.Reply:Mike got me on this one.Mike:Quote There is no scripture that says the Word “spoke all things into being”.  In fact, Jesus is the Word OF GOD, which means he is either a spokesman FOR God or the Word that God spoke.  The “OF GOD” i…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 12 2010,21:26)You forgot to mention me in your list too Ed,   Lightenup, I said I had respect for the Church Fathers but was put off by the way they were used here on this thread. I became so disturbed by this thread that I asked in prayer and I was shown to stay awayThen tonight after making some random post of some early…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 12 2010,19:25)To All,Seems me JustAskin and Jack are all in agreement on this one! A pretty sight; isn't it?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J,Yes indeed. Our faith is not to be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. I concur whole heartedly with JA.KJ

t8,This is to inform you that Kathi has been threatening to report me because I said that her views imply that God is bisexual in the sense being a hermaphrodite. She has said many times here that God has a body and a womb and should expect that this may be misunderstood.Anyway, in response I first posted an apology to her for the matter of my…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 12 2010,08:33)Hi Lu,And what have you learnt from Ignatius that you could not have learnt from Scriptures?And what have you learnt from Ignatius that another has not disputed?The teachings of these others is for the ones at that time – that is why there is so much controversy over what they said or didn't say, did or didn't…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,11:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,18:54)Don't you find it weird that only you KJ and WJ seem to think Jesus was not LITERALLY begotten?Wrong.Everyone that I know of here except for Irene does not believe that he was begotten (born) before the ages or time.WJMike,It's about what the scripture says and not…[Read more]

Kathi,Seeing that you have assumed the responsibility to explain yourself I will apologize for charging you with inferring that God is bisexual in the sense of being a hermaphrodite. I apologize because I want to foster understanding.Please note that Keith and I have not threatened you for your false accusation that we are dishonest and “pretend”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2010,07:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,22:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,04:54)Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one !” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has…[Read more]

TO ALL:I have received a couple of threatening private messages from Kathi demanding that I apologize for saying that her view of God's “reproductive strength” implies that God is bisexual. I replied reminding her that she has indeed said that God has a body and that He also has a womb. She then said that I do not know what “bisexual” means and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,14:33)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 11 2010,05:18)What Mike said about “echad” is NOT true. The word “echad” comes from the word “achad” which means “to unify” (see Strong's# 259-259). At least two persons are needed in order for a unification to take place.Sorry Charlie, you are incorrect sir.What about Deut 17:6…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,13:32)Hey JA,Just show me your PROOF that begotten in Psalm 2:7 and monogenes everywhere in the NT doesn't refer to a literal begetting.  Where is your proof………not assumptions?The word “yalad” means begotten.  The word “monogenes” means “only begotten”.  Just show me where it doesn't.mikeThe new testament re…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,12:04)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,18:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,07:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,15:38)Keith, so then you would say that the Father came into being from Jesus…just saying if you take the stand that nothing means absolutely nothing.KathiNo because verse 1 and 2 of John 1:1 makes it clear that Jesus was with the Father before all things. So the Father…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,04:54)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 08 2010,18:48)TO ALL: Please note that in 1 Corinthians 10:9 the “oldest” and “good” manuscripts say that the people tempted CHRIST. Deuteronomy 6:16 says that they tempted YHWH. Therefore, Christ is the YHWH of Deuteronomy 6:16. Quote 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2010,07:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,11:21)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,10:36)TO ALL:Even the Muslims reject Kathi's and Mike's assertion that Christ was begotten by a sexual cat of God:Quote In the Qur'an we find various passages protesting against a notion of “begetting” for God, for example He begetteth…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,06:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,14:27)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 10 2010,13:38)Kathi said;Quote Would someone like to fill the roo in on the fact that asexual reproduction means without sex.Would someone like to fill Kathi in on the fact that Christ was begotten at His resurrection and this was not a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,08:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,15:33)Keith,I think you have to look at the context.  Tertullian puts it well:Quote I will therefore not speak of gods at all, nor of lords, but I shall follow the apostle; so that if the Father and the Son, are alike to be invoked, I shall call the Father “God,” and invo…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2010,06:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2010,13:50)Jack,No one before God the Father was formed and no other God, (a source of all things) came into being.  The Son was not the source of Himself but came from the source.  God is declaring that there is no other unbegotten God and anything coming into being would n…[Read more]

Kathi said:Quote When does Calvin say that the Son became a divine Son Keith? When has Keith or I said that the Son became a divine Son? We believe that He was the divine WORD who became Son. Christ was appointed to be the firstborn Son of God as His father David:Quote 20I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21With…[Read more]