Paladin said:Quote Oh, and YOURS ARE? We are discussing verse one, and you justify it by jumping to verse 10? Well I guess to a trinitarian that constitutes “line upon line, precept upon precept.”The “light” in verse 10 is the “word” in verse 1. Yes or no? If you say no then demonstrate it. And while you're at it explain why all the translations…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Trinitarians do not comprehend the significance of “first-person-singular” and “second-person-singular” and third-person-singular pronouns and nouns.Paladin,You have no right to talk. You translate personal pronouns as “it.” You're the pot calling the kettle “black.” Paladin said:Quote God shows he is a singular being, and a…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 13 2009,14:06)Mark 1232And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Read carefully and the trinity doctrine will disappear, First we see for there is one God and then it says there is none other but He, The key is the word HeThe trinitarian…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 12 2009,02:42)Adam  I am not sure if we will be called God.  There is Scripture that says this1 Corinth. 24-25 For He has put all things under His feet.  But when He says ” all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.verse 25 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then So…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote Ah but Trintarians ALSO say that Jesus is God. Therefore they agree that God sent his son in word, but the spin that God came in the flesh means that in deed they agree that God came in the flesh. Yet we are told that the Word became flesh.John 1:1 literally reads thus,Quote And God was the WordVerse 14 says,Quote And the Word became…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote Why is it so hard for you to understand that God is only a tittle.The word “title” as defined by Funk and Wagnall's Dictionary,Quote 2. An appelation significant of office, rank, etc,; esp.., a designation of nobilityTell me how Jesus' being God by “title” disproves trinitarianism. Irene said:Quote And by the own words of Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 13 2009,08:23)Hi JackQuote (thethinker @ June 12 2009,15:59)What is your proof that the translators disagreed with the notes. The translators of the Geneva Bible switched to the use of the personal pronoun in reference to the “light” in verse 10,That is a good point. The argument that the Translators of the modern…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote And where did Jesus say anything about “Peter's definition?”Peter didn't “define” anything. He responded to a question about who men say the son of man is. Lord please give me patience!   MATTHEW'S VERSION:Jesus said,Quote Who do men say that I, THE SON OF MAN am?Peter replied saying,Quote You are the Christ, the Son of the…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Do you know why those “little notes” were found IN THE MARGIN? BECAUSE the translators disagreed with them, but were trying to be fair by keeping them available to the reader as a possible rendering. Not likely, but possible, and doubted by the translators.What is your proof that the translators disagreed with the notes. The…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote tt,Can God be taught? Does God learn from someone?John 8:27-29 (King James Version)27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 12 2009,18:43)WJ, even the truth will not convince you and it is futile to try and make you see. Admittedly debating with you has served a purpose which is to show the fault in the Trinity doctrine as you have questioned everything and taken just about every advantage possible to support your slant.But now you are just going in…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 12 2009,15:15)Quote (thethinker @ June 12 2009,11:52)Marty said:Quote How can he be YHWH, if YHWH is dwelling in him?Because YHWH is a plural unity. Now let me ask you a question. How can all things be created for YHWH and also be created for Christ?Proverbs 16:4: “YHWH has made all things FOR Himself, yes, even the wicked for…[Read more]

Paladin said to WJ:Quote And thinker thinks you are “big leaguers” here? Why? WJ replied:Quote I cannot vouch for what Thinker says, for I do not claim to be a big leaguer. Thinker is possibly referring to others that have challenged his faith here and not to himself. Being that he has studied scriptures for 34 years and has some training in the…[Read more]

Paladin said:Quote Jesus is a person, and when he speaks in the first person singular, he says “I” when referencing himself. And he calls himself “it.” Of course a person is “it.”Paladin said to WJ:Quote I will respond to you no more. You continue to twist what I said, into strawman argument so you will gain some kind of advantage, but have not…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote How can he be YHWH, if YHWH is dwelling in him?Because YHWH is a plural unity. Now let me ask you a question. How can all things be created for YHWH and also be created for Christ?Proverbs 16:4: “YHWH has made all things FOR Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”Colossians 1:16: “All things were created by Him and…[Read more]

Mandy said:Quote GSR has had numerous hits to it, some have been quite compelling.  It just depends on where your getting your information on it (it will swing either way, for it or against it).Mandy,If it will swing either way then please give examples. Furthermore, if the GSr is incorrect then the names “God” and “Savior” are to be…[Read more]

bodhitharta wrote:Quote Now, Jesus says they are not being correct because:John 10:35-37 (King James Version)35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Jesus tells them he has a right according to the scriptures to call himself the Son of God, but wait!Psalm 82:5-7 (King James Version)5They know…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Also keep in mind that if Man was made in the image of God then why wouldn't a man who is reborn or anointed by God not have the angels worship him to the glory of God.bd,Don't forget verse 10. The Father addressed the Son saying,Quote You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth. And the heavens are the work…[Read more]

bodhitharts said:Quote So wherever Jesus was this man also went so did Jesus go to heaven or paradise and is heaven, “paradise” because Jesus went there according to Jesus.bd,We are in agreement that the thief on the cross went to paradise with Jesus. But paradise was NOT heaven. It was a place where the righteous dead went until Christ completed…[Read more]

Marty said:Quote Hi WJ:Jesus stated that those who have seen him had seen the Father because the works that he was doing were in obedience to God.Marty,You reveal that you do not have ears to hear Just as WJ said. Titus 2:13-14 is one of the most clear statements concerning the Divinity of Jesus in all of Scripture. It says that the God and Savior…[Read more]