Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,17:37)Hi all,God created everything through or in Jesus. What does it mean, does it mean Jesus was the creator? Our N.T uses such words like “through” or “in” Jesus,  we have to understand that God is the sole creator as per Isa 45 & 46. These words like “through” and “in” have to be understood to interpret that…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,12:53)Hi TT, Context is not as reliable in Revelation as it contains sequences from different speakers.Check it out.Rev 1Nick,It is Christ speaking. Check out verse 17,Quote …I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.It is Christ speaking. The Father…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote What do you think of this:Rev 15 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,12:42)Hi TT,Why would you quote God's words about Himself and apply it to Jesus?You will only confuse yourself.Uh Nick, it is Jesus speaking. Read the context.thinker

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,12:26)Hi TT, So Jesus was less than the Father then exalted by the Father. And you think this supports a trinity god theory?Nick, Jesus said he was the Almighty,Quote I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, THE ALMIGHTY (Rev. 1:8)thinker

Paladin said to WJ:Quote God placed his word above his name  “for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” And he promised to give Jesus a name above every name “Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:” WJ blew Paladin away:Quote But you should finish the quote…Wherefore God also ha…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote No it would not be logical because there are angels in heaven and again it seems here that Paul is pulling verses from the old testament and assigning them how he pleases.2 Samuel 7:14 (King James Version)14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 16 2009,08:55)thinker  first of all I am not naughty or unreasonable, Because Gene is the one that so many times have called people names.  I am simple getting tired of it.  And to me, that is not right if you  call yourself a Christian.  How about finding a Scripture that says that there is a trinity doctrine?  I used to teach…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 16 2009,10:51)I have been considering Cindy's remarks to Gene in a recent post, about name calling.I plead guilty.I responded to her post but the things I said did not address her issue.She was right.The name calling she referenced was not the name calling Jesus engaged in.I have been wrong on several posts, by engaging in…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:     “ Blessing and honor and glory and power     Be to Him who sits on the throne,     And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen&#03…[Read more]

To All,Bodhitharta said that He has dealt trinitarianism a “death blow.” I don't think so. The recent posts of some here reflect that I have hit a nerve. I am being called names now . I was called “dishonest” by one and even a “hypocrite” by another  here who himself denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If a “death blow” was dealt then y…[Read more]

Georg said:Quote thinkerRaising Jesus to the “right hand” of the Father, is a promotion to the highest position in God's kingdom; in no way is it a position of equality.Daniel was raised to the highest position in the kingdom of Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, that did not make him an equal to the king.Joseph was given highest position by Pharaoh, that…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 16 2009,00:37)Quote (Cindy @ June 15 2009,08:40)Gene  I just despiece when people call others names. Stop doing that if you want to be a Christian. IMO nobody knows it all.  All have fallen short of the glory of God.IreneAh, sister, why are you so hard?Did not Jesus himself call the Pharisees “hipocryts?” Did he not scourge t…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Man is not made in the image of two persons.To say let us make man in our image is not to say us is God and Jesus because God speaks to the heavenly hosts.bd,Then who are the “US” in Genesis 1:26? The Father said that the Son created the heavens and the earth (Heb. 1:10). Wouldn't it be reasonable then to conclude that the…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Does it not bother you that you deleted half a verse and simply left out:Revelation 514 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and everWhy did you leave out “him that liveth for ever and ever”?THAT MY FRIEND IS SPIRITUAL DISHONESTY. I do forgive you…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote Does it not bother you that you deleted half a verse and simply left out:Revelation 514 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and everWhy did you leave out “him that liveth for ever and ever”?bd,The Greek text I have does not have that phrase “him…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ June 15 2009,21:41)thinker  The Word that became flesh is the one that became Jesus, you do know that, right? ( Quote thinker} For unto us a child is born, and unto us a son is given. And the government shall be upon His shoulder. And HIS NAME shall be called Wonderful. Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE….…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote But the Logos became flesh thinker. Not God.God existed within flesh because by his spirit he lived in Christ and he lives in his people too. But God doesn't have a flesh body and never has. God is not a man and never has been.Also, if we believe that the Father is the Most High God, then we believe that his son who was the Logos…[Read more]

bodhitharta said:Quote You say yourselgf that God has told you to equally honor His son and with that statement you destroy the trinity in your own mind because you have understood that God is not his son nor is his son truly God because you said “God” told you.bd,If I am contradicting myself then explain why the Father calls the Son “God” and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,11:37)Hi TT,Many have foolishly died and killed others in defense of such folly so no relevance there.God is not His Son so you accept polytheism?Do you honor the Son equally as you honor the Father? Yes or no? If I am a polytheist then so are the twenty-four elders. For a polytheist is one who worships more than…[Read more]